1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:01,490 now customers use more than 35 cakes per 2 00:00:04,430 --> 00:00:02,850 month may notice reduce beats video 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,440 streaming setup 240p no tethering see 4 00:00:07,849 --> 00:00:05,370 store for details in terms and 5 00:00:10,040 --> 00:00:07,859 conditions everyone to the California 6 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:10,050 MUFON radio show I'm your host Lori Ann 7 00:00:13,910 --> 00:00:12,210 Fenton were here on inception radio 8 00:00:15,799 --> 00:00:13,920 network as you guys all know it's my 9 00:00:18,830 --> 00:00:15,809 favorite place to be the home of my most 10 00:00:21,380 --> 00:00:18,840 famous famous app on my cell phone it's 11 00:00:23,150 --> 00:00:21,390 it's centre front and it's really big I 12 00:00:25,250 --> 00:00:23,160 got it to grow I don't know how I did 13 00:00:27,230 --> 00:00:25,260 that but I managed to do it and it 14 00:00:29,060 --> 00:00:27,240 reminds me every week that I've got to 15 00:00:30,589 --> 00:00:29,070 be on the network and I'm hoping you 16 00:00:32,690 --> 00:00:30,599 guys are joining me here every week on 17 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:32,700 the network as well and guess what we're 18 00:00:36,290 --> 00:00:34,110 doing tonight we're doing a holiday 19 00:00:38,750 --> 00:00:36,300 special I try to do when every year if I 20 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:38,760 can and I got four very amazing guests 21 00:00:44,650 --> 00:00:41,489 with me that my guests this evening are 22 00:00:47,270 --> 00:00:44,660 gonna be chuck palooka my buddy tron 23 00:00:50,299 --> 00:00:47,280 melinda leslie and we're gonna round it 24 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:50,309 up with grant cameron later on so i just 25 00:00:55,100 --> 00:00:51,750 wanna let you guys know it's been a very 26 00:00:57,770 --> 00:00:55,110 interesting year for me and on my first 27 00:00:59,810 --> 00:00:57,780 show coming back after the new year i 28 00:01:02,000 --> 00:00:59,820 will talk about all this happened to me 29 00:01:05,329 --> 00:01:02,010 this past year and what i'm planning on 30 00:01:07,340 --> 00:01:05,339 doing for the new year and just what 28 31 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:07,350 teens got to bring for me so i hope you 32 00:01:11,420 --> 00:01:09,090 guys tune in for that that'll be after 33 00:01:14,359 --> 00:01:11,430 January 1st I believe it's on the 3rd 34 00:01:18,050 --> 00:01:14,369 and yeah that'll be a fun show I may be 35 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:18,060 my own guest we'll see but in the 36 00:01:23,030 --> 00:01:20,130 meantime I want to bring in with me 37 00:01:25,539 --> 00:01:23,040 tonight on our holiday special my friend 38 00:01:33,890 --> 00:01:25,549 Chuck palanca Chuck how are you doing 39 00:01:35,990 --> 00:01:33,900 I'm fine thanks for hanging out with the 40 00:01:38,060 --> 00:01:36,000 family that's what I usually do here in 41 00:01:39,859 --> 00:01:38,070 California most of my family's back east 42 00:01:57,410 --> 00:01:39,869 and I don't get back there very often 43 00:01:59,450 --> 00:01:57,420 for the holiday so it'll be great my 44 00:02:00,709 --> 00:01:59,460 parents say that I come home like a bear 45 00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:00,719 I come home to hibernate 46 00:02:06,679 --> 00:02:04,439 oh nice raise the first two days you 47 00:02:08,449 --> 00:02:06,689 know the 24th and 25th and just eat meat 48 00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:08,459 meat then I just hit the bed for about 49 00:02:13,250 --> 00:02:11,430 four days after that that I New Year's 50 00:02:16,580 --> 00:02:13,260 Eve you know 51 00:02:18,710 --> 00:02:16,590 and a year I get to sleep so you know 52 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:18,720 I'm really thrilled about it but anyhow 53 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:23,489 let's get back to what you are as a 54 00:02:28,220 --> 00:02:26,250 contactee because I call you a contact D 55 00:02:30,470 --> 00:02:28,230 because of your experiences as a child 56 00:02:31,699 --> 00:02:30,480 let's briefly recap those for the 57 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:31,709 audience because we have been on this 58 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:34,110 show before but they probably you know I 59 00:02:37,789 --> 00:02:36,450 every week I have so many people on so 60 00:02:41,559 --> 00:02:37,799 it's like you know they're going check 61 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:41,569 below go yeah who's that guy so just 62 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:44,489 camp what happened to you I know most of 63 00:02:48,740 --> 00:02:46,650 it was in your childhood correct correct 64 00:02:50,839 --> 00:02:48,750 right started out when I was two and a 65 00:02:57,009 --> 00:02:50,849 half years old seeing the faces in the 66 00:02:59,449 --> 00:02:57,019 windows and that was a great story 67 00:03:03,830 --> 00:02:59,459 the crafts over the next-door neighbor's 68 00:03:06,349 --> 00:03:03,840 trees and all but yeah and didn't your 69 00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:06,359 sister wasn't she part of all this - and 70 00:03:10,580 --> 00:03:07,980 your brother that you found out much 71 00:03:13,009 --> 00:03:10,590 later on in life well there were seven 72 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:13,019 of us so yes 73 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:15,930 two of my sisters admit to waking up 74 00:03:21,470 --> 00:03:18,780 during abductions as well as myself and 75 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:21,480 we all saw the craft we used to wake 76 00:03:26,030 --> 00:03:23,250 each other up at night and and sit at 77 00:03:27,890 --> 00:03:26,040 the window and watch them so Wow see you 78 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:27,900 know this is pretty folks you know I'm 79 00:03:31,849 --> 00:03:29,730 telling ya you know my whole theory 80 00:03:34,220 --> 00:03:31,859 about families being involved in all 81 00:03:36,349 --> 00:03:34,230 this I swear it's real you know I 82 00:03:38,210 --> 00:03:36,359 there's very few people I've talked to 83 00:03:40,670 --> 00:03:38,220 except for the kids that are you know 84 00:03:43,009 --> 00:03:40,680 the only child 85 00:03:44,809 --> 00:03:43,019 but everybody else tells me you know my 86 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:44,819 I know my brother was involved 87 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:46,650 maybe not my two younger sisters but I 88 00:03:51,020 --> 00:03:48,930 know my brother was and then years later 89 00:03:54,129 --> 00:03:51,030 they usually find out the sisters were - 90 00:03:57,710 --> 00:03:54,139 or the brother wasn't or you know I mean 91 00:04:00,199 --> 00:03:57,720 it's always that way I've never had it 92 00:04:02,030 --> 00:04:00,209 be where it wasn't a family involvement 93 00:04:05,900 --> 00:04:02,040 did you ever find out if your parents 94 00:04:09,970 --> 00:04:05,910 were involved well they never mentioned 95 00:04:13,580 --> 00:04:09,980 that they were but they did see them so 96 00:04:16,129 --> 00:04:13,590 all of us did so the problem we got here 97 00:04:18,050 --> 00:04:16,139 again is if your parents were seeing 98 00:04:21,020 --> 00:04:18,060 them then they were being taken they 99 00:04:23,990 --> 00:04:21,030 just didn't remember it well and when I 100 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:24,000 learned when I was 13 14 years old and I 101 00:04:28,620 --> 00:04:25,840 started reading all the books 102 00:04:31,850 --> 00:04:28,630 and later on my mom asked me well why do 103 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:31,860 you think they're not telling us and she 104 00:04:36,750 --> 00:04:34,930 she also admitted that you know how 105 00:04:37,980 --> 00:04:36,760 could I admit to you as a child when 106 00:04:41,430 --> 00:04:37,990 you're insisting that you were being 107 00:04:42,659 --> 00:04:41,440 taken that you were and that I knew it 108 00:04:44,550 --> 00:04:42,669 and there was nothing I can do about it 109 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:44,560 you'd go to bed scared death every night 110 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:46,800 you know so yeah it's it's interesting 111 00:04:52,020 --> 00:04:49,600 yeah it is it really is but you know in 112 00:04:55,159 --> 00:04:52,030 a weird way that's the whole thing about 113 00:04:58,050 --> 00:04:55,169 how we we manage it you know as humans 114 00:04:59,730 --> 00:04:58,060 if we didn't have our parents saying oh 115 00:05:01,590 --> 00:04:59,740 those are you know those are little 116 00:05:05,969 --> 00:05:01,600 made-up monsters and don't worry about 117 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:05,979 it nation if they didn't say that you're 118 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:07,810 absolutely right we'd be a terrified 119 00:05:13,140 --> 00:05:10,750 species we'd be down here cowering every 120 00:05:15,810 --> 00:05:13,150 night and not knowing who's gonna come 121 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:15,820 and get you you know it's really it's 122 00:05:20,580 --> 00:05:17,680 it's an amazing thing that they actually 123 00:05:22,409 --> 00:05:20,590 do give us the amnesia and don't let us 124 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:22,419 know what's going on to the best of 125 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:23,770 their ability because obviously people 126 00:05:29,969 --> 00:05:27,580 like yourself are remembering you know 127 00:05:31,500 --> 00:05:29,979 thus amnesia thing actually I hate to 128 00:05:33,570 --> 00:05:31,510 say it Chuck I think it's a good thing 129 00:05:36,330 --> 00:05:33,580 because like you said we'd be in fear 130 00:05:38,909 --> 00:05:36,340 all the time and what good is that you 131 00:05:40,770 --> 00:05:38,919 know right now when we were young and we 132 00:05:42,900 --> 00:05:40,780 were watching them we weren't in fear 133 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:42,910 when we were seeing them we were you 134 00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:45,430 know wow look at that that's really cool 135 00:05:52,740 --> 00:05:49,919 what is it I think that's great 136 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:52,750 but did they ever do anything to you on 137 00:05:57,450 --> 00:05:54,130 the ships that would have made you 138 00:06:00,330 --> 00:05:57,460 afraid to remember it well no other than 139 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:00,340 waking up and seeing their faces that's 140 00:06:04,050 --> 00:06:02,289 and then when I would look and become 141 00:06:07,980 --> 00:06:04,060 aware of them instantly boom right back 142 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:07,990 out yeah yeah exactly and you know like 143 00:06:11,879 --> 00:06:09,880 that the whole whitley strieber thing 144 00:06:15,210 --> 00:06:11,889 about him being knocked out all the time 145 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:15,220 you know quite often recovering memories 146 00:06:20,219 --> 00:06:18,460 later in life he always said you know 147 00:06:21,719 --> 00:06:20,229 I'm glad I didn't remember anything when 148 00:06:23,700 --> 00:06:21,729 I was younger because if I had I 149 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:23,710 wouldn't been able to be objective about 150 00:06:30,540 --> 00:06:28,180 it as an adult right it really is a good 151 00:06:32,580 --> 00:06:30,550 thing in a weird way now what I do want 152 00:06:35,990 --> 00:06:32,590 to talk to you about though is you have 153 00:06:39,519 --> 00:06:36,000 some great footage up on YouTube about 154 00:06:41,499 --> 00:06:39,529 sky watching at your house right and 155 00:06:43,779 --> 00:06:41,509 right the different crafts you've seen 156 00:06:45,909 --> 00:06:43,789 up there with the night vision mm-hmm 157 00:06:47,919 --> 00:06:45,919 tell people how that started for you and 158 00:06:49,629 --> 00:06:47,929 and be sure to talk about the part where 159 00:06:54,089 --> 00:06:49,639 your daughter get to see him - isn't 160 00:06:56,199 --> 00:06:54,099 that correct that's right yeah actually 161 00:06:57,879 --> 00:06:56,209 because of that sighting is why I 162 00:06:59,850 --> 00:06:57,889 started the night vision that's when I 163 00:07:03,879 --> 00:06:59,860 went and bought my goggles and that was 164 00:07:05,979 --> 00:07:03,889 2008 great tell people of much detail 165 00:07:07,179 --> 00:07:05,989 about the 2008 sighting because I think 166 00:07:10,209 --> 00:07:07,189 that's extraordinary 167 00:07:11,589 --> 00:07:10,219 okay so I was laying I had started 168 00:07:14,229 --> 00:07:11,599 laying on the ground 169 00:07:17,229 --> 00:07:14,239 grounding because I had heard that that 170 00:07:19,509 --> 00:07:17,239 was really good for you and a couple of 171 00:07:20,859 --> 00:07:19,519 months into it I had the feeling 172 00:07:22,989 --> 00:07:20,869 something was gonna happen I called my 173 00:07:25,059 --> 00:07:22,999 daughter and she came out and a couple 174 00:07:27,189 --> 00:07:25,069 minutes later a craft came across the 175 00:07:29,559 --> 00:07:27,199 sky blinked twice on its way across the 176 00:07:32,369 --> 00:07:29,569 sky continued to go and then the next 177 00:07:36,189 --> 00:07:32,379 one stopped in the middle of the sky 178 00:07:38,290 --> 00:07:36,199 dent flew a perfect square and then 179 00:07:41,589 --> 00:07:38,300 bounced back and forth between the two 180 00:07:44,169 --> 00:07:41,599 upper corners of the square for maybe 20 181 00:07:46,749 --> 00:07:44,179 to 30 seconds and that it narrowed the 182 00:07:48,189 --> 00:07:46,759 distance and then it it went out like we 183 00:07:50,259 --> 00:07:48,199 couldn't see it anymore so we didn't 184 00:07:52,899 --> 00:07:50,269 know if it flew up in space but my 185 00:07:55,540 --> 00:07:52,909 daughter 23 years old going to college 186 00:08:01,869 --> 00:07:55,550 was just you know blown away wow what in 187 00:08:03,579 --> 00:08:01,879 the world was that we've talked about 188 00:08:05,980 --> 00:08:03,589 this before was it like the size of the 189 00:08:10,269 --> 00:08:05,990 thumbnail with your arm outstretched or 190 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:10,279 was it smaller this this was in space 191 00:08:17,169 --> 00:08:13,610 and see this was on the same line that 192 00:08:19,569 --> 00:08:17,179 we see most of them flying north to 193 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:19,579 south that particular craft was flying 194 00:08:24,999 --> 00:08:23,329 north and it was in space because what 195 00:08:28,169 --> 00:08:25,009 we were seeing is the reflection of the 196 00:08:31,269 --> 00:08:28,179 Sun off event and it was actually 197 00:08:33,219 --> 00:08:31,279 probably 45 minutes after you could see 198 00:08:35,889 --> 00:08:33,229 them you could start seeing them moving 199 00:08:37,209 --> 00:08:35,899 in the sky yeah so it was it was you 200 00:08:40,990 --> 00:08:37,219 know I would have to say it was at least 201 00:08:43,209 --> 00:08:41,000 a hundred to 150 miles away sure sure so 202 00:08:45,730 --> 00:08:43,219 we're talking way up there like you know 203 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:45,740 like Melinda and you and and all my 204 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:48,290 friends who do the UFO tours you know 205 00:08:51,100 --> 00:08:49,850 where we go out and look at look for 206 00:08:54,670 --> 00:08:51,110 them 207 00:08:56,620 --> 00:08:54,680 ones we normally see crap yeah okay so 208 00:08:58,990 --> 00:08:56,630 they're way up there but they're 209 00:09:09,280 --> 00:08:59,000 maneuvering is just extraordinary I mean 210 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:09,290 that's when you know you got a real you 211 00:09:13,630 --> 00:09:11,720 know I've had some extraordinary 212 00:09:15,519 --> 00:09:13,640 sightings in my life and I got to say 213 00:09:19,900 --> 00:09:15,529 contact in the desert I've had two of my 214 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:19,910 most extraordinary two years ago green 215 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:22,250 fast Walker's comes shooting up the 216 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:24,740 canyon there and then they went up into 217 00:09:28,870 --> 00:09:27,050 space Chuck and they made a triangle 218 00:09:30,670 --> 00:09:28,880 formation there were three of them they 219 00:09:37,150 --> 00:09:30,680 turned into a triangle and then they 220 00:09:40,540 --> 00:09:37,160 just faded out yeah and then this last 221 00:09:43,690 --> 00:09:40,550 year out at giant rock the biggest and 222 00:09:46,750 --> 00:09:43,700 most amazing sighting I've ever had 223 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:46,760 and that I think most people have had in 224 00:09:54,550 --> 00:09:48,890 the last you know 30 or 40 years except 225 00:09:57,189 --> 00:09:54,560 for a crashed saucer is this F 14 or 15 226 00:10:01,870 --> 00:09:57,199 or 16 is when the latest models of 227 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:01,880 fighter pilot planes chasing a UFO and 228 00:10:08,199 --> 00:10:04,370 this thing is 250 feet above our heads 229 00:10:10,090 --> 00:10:08,209 or less maybe 200 feet why I mean we're 230 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:10,100 talking the size of my fist in front of 231 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:11,570 my face that's how big this thing is 232 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:16,130 right and bigger and it was just it was 233 00:10:21,250 --> 00:10:18,050 mind-boggling we caught it on camera and 234 00:10:23,470 --> 00:10:21,260 there were 62 witnesses and nobody is 235 00:10:25,509 --> 00:10:23,480 talking about it and it's just 236 00:10:27,939 --> 00:10:25,519 absolutely amazing that's one of the 237 00:10:30,790 --> 00:10:27,949 most amazing sightings ever no one's 238 00:10:32,889 --> 00:10:30,800 done and I'm just trying to figure out 239 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:32,899 why they're not talking about it right 240 00:10:38,199 --> 00:10:36,290 you know it wait what kills me Chuck is 241 00:10:40,269 --> 00:10:38,209 this was during contact in the desert 242 00:10:43,420 --> 00:10:40,279 and it was Sunday night and at that same 243 00:10:45,460 --> 00:10:43,430 time on Sunday night Steven Greer was 244 00:10:47,620 --> 00:10:45,470 doing a big meditation out at a Ryan's 245 00:10:53,650 --> 00:10:47,630 point where we saw three crafts the year 246 00:10:56,019 --> 00:10:53,660 before or two years before and what's 247 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:56,029 his name a Gilliland was doing a big you 248 00:11:00,519 --> 00:10:57,890 know calling the space brothers down in 249 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:00,529 the amphitheater so we had two of the 250 00:11:04,540 --> 00:11:03,170 big names in UF ology calling in crafts 251 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:04,550 which they never did 252 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:07,970 by the way nothing was seen in that 253 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:10,370 giant rock because we're all women okay 254 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:12,410 I'm just in there folks I want you to 255 00:11:16,540 --> 00:11:14,990 know there is a distinction pathology 256 00:11:18,579 --> 00:11:16,550 that the women usually get thrown out 257 00:11:20,980 --> 00:11:18,589 with the trash whoo 258 00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:20,990 we're excommunicated out two giant 259 00:11:24,910 --> 00:11:22,220 rockers we're not allowed to do a 260 00:11:27,610 --> 00:11:24,920 sighting in their contracts by the way 261 00:11:31,150 --> 00:11:27,620 on the same premises while they're doing 262 00:11:33,430 --> 00:11:31,160 it Wow so you got five women contact 263 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:33,440 these that are out in the desert with 264 00:11:38,530 --> 00:11:36,410 sixty other people that were brought out 265 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:38,540 there from contact in the desert and 266 00:11:42,460 --> 00:11:40,490 they all signed up for this excursion 267 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:42,470 they all came out there with us and we 268 00:11:47,110 --> 00:11:44,440 had the most phenomenal sighting 269 00:11:49,810 --> 00:11:47,120 anybody's ever had in their entire life 270 00:11:55,590 --> 00:11:49,820 and you know they may never see anything 271 00:12:00,699 --> 00:11:58,389 here and I just go what is going on with 272 00:12:02,650 --> 00:12:00,709 you apology so you know that brings me 273 00:12:04,060 --> 00:12:02,660 to my next question for you what do you 274 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:04,070 you know what do you think's going on 275 00:12:07,150 --> 00:12:05,810 with you apology I mean do you go to 276 00:12:09,370 --> 00:12:07,160 these conferences do you pay any 277 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:09,380 attention or you kind of like the guy 278 00:12:15,069 --> 00:12:11,360 that's on the Shelf just observing from 279 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:15,079 a distance I do pay attention I've been 280 00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:17,930 so busy the last year to two years that 281 00:12:25,180 --> 00:12:21,920 I haven't paid as much so yes I tried I 282 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:25,190 tried to keep up on it and actually I'm 283 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:28,370 hoping within this next year I I come up 284 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:30,529 with a lot more time too there's a few 285 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:33,649 things I want to do so wonderful do you 286 00:12:37,930 --> 00:12:34,760 think you'll be speaking at the 287 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:37,940 conferences or you know try are you just 288 00:12:43,180 --> 00:12:40,670 gonna attend or what do you think well 289 00:12:45,130 --> 00:12:43,190 I'm gonna try to get back out my son I 290 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:45,140 had backed off for a while because my 291 00:12:48,819 --> 00:12:46,850 son was in school and my wife was 292 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:48,829 concerned about his safety if I'm out 293 00:12:55,569 --> 00:12:51,170 there saying things that someone doesn't 294 00:12:58,060 --> 00:12:55,579 like so now he's back home so I can get 295 00:12:59,860 --> 00:12:58,070 out there again oh that's wonderful well 296 00:13:01,750 --> 00:12:59,870 then you know I'll be the first to say 297 00:13:03,310 --> 00:13:01,760 I've got a conference coming up so who 298 00:13:05,860 --> 00:13:03,320 knows what you'll be involved with with 299 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:05,870 that I just you know I got a I gotta go 300 00:13:10,810 --> 00:13:07,010 look at the roster and see what's 301 00:13:12,670 --> 00:13:10,820 happening they're talking because I 302 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:12,680 think you and your friend Dennis 303 00:13:16,660 --> 00:13:14,690 you know he's quite an extraordinary guy 304 00:13:18,430 --> 00:13:16,670 he comes now tell people what you've 305 00:13:21,970 --> 00:13:18,440 done for us in the past you guys 306 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:21,980 if you bring a you know a big-screen TV 307 00:13:28,869 --> 00:13:25,250 and several occassions you guys been out 308 00:13:30,430 --> 00:13:28,879 the Delta with us you've been at my my 309 00:13:32,470 --> 00:13:30,440 place of residence in our Clubhouse 310 00:13:33,970 --> 00:13:32,480 you've been got you guys have been 311 00:13:36,999 --> 00:13:33,980 everywhere this you've been at the pedal 312 00:13:38,949 --> 00:13:37,009 of a Senior Center oh yeah yeah yeah you 313 00:13:41,290 --> 00:13:38,959 just oh you went to mount Kanak died 314 00:13:44,829 --> 00:13:41,300 with us oh yeah yeah we had some real 315 00:13:46,929 --> 00:13:44,839 fun times I gotta say folks and most of 316 00:13:49,569 --> 00:13:46,939 the time oh you were also up in volcano 317 00:13:51,759 --> 00:13:49,579 with us correct yeah you've been around 318 00:13:54,579 --> 00:13:51,769 the block with us most of the places 319 00:13:56,619 --> 00:13:54,589 we've gone with Chuck and Dennis we have 320 00:13:58,809 --> 00:13:56,629 seen some extraordinary craft on those 321 00:14:02,379 --> 00:13:58,819 TV screens I mean honest to god just 322 00:14:04,329 --> 00:14:02,389 really extraordinary craft what what do 323 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:04,339 you think sets you aside from other 324 00:14:07,929 --> 00:14:06,050 people because I've had other people 325 00:14:09,699 --> 00:14:07,939 chuck show up and say oh I'm gonna do a 326 00:14:11,710 --> 00:14:09,709 sky watch and we're gonna see this and 327 00:14:13,749 --> 00:14:11,720 that and whatever and we've seen nothing 328 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:13,759 we spend the whole night sitting there 329 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:15,290 waiting for something to happen and we 330 00:14:20,379 --> 00:14:17,779 see absolutely nothing what do you think 331 00:14:21,879 --> 00:14:20,389 since you and Dennis apart I already 332 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:21,889 know the answer but I want to hear if 333 00:14:30,939 --> 00:14:25,870 you say the same thing I'm thinking well 334 00:14:32,259 --> 00:14:30,949 one open mind and do your research like 335 00:14:34,059 --> 00:14:32,269 I think people have mentioned that a 336 00:14:36,610 --> 00:14:34,069 number of the sky watches they thought 337 00:14:38,530 --> 00:14:36,620 we were seeing satellites so we had them 338 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:38,540 pull up their satellite trackers on 339 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:40,250 their phones and prove that what we're 340 00:14:46,090 --> 00:14:43,490 seeing or not satellites and yeah it's I 341 00:14:48,009 --> 00:14:46,100 mean do your homework try to be as good 342 00:14:48,670 --> 00:14:48,019 at doing what you do as you can possibly 343 00:14:53,139 --> 00:14:48,680 be 344 00:14:57,370 --> 00:14:53,149 and of course remain honest and you know 345 00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:57,380 and real with people you know yeah yeah 346 00:15:01,179 --> 00:14:59,120 well I think that's very important but I 347 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:01,189 also think the biggest important part to 348 00:15:08,049 --> 00:15:03,529 the piece to your puzzle is the fact 349 00:15:09,730 --> 00:15:08,059 that you are a contactee because you 350 00:15:12,490 --> 00:15:09,740 know the biggest thing that I've noticed 351 00:15:16,059 --> 00:15:12,500 is you know james gilliland is a contact 352 00:15:18,490 --> 00:15:16,069 D so as Steven Greer but I'm not sure 353 00:15:20,530 --> 00:15:18,500 that in and I know this is gonna sound 354 00:15:22,809 --> 00:15:20,540 really weird folks I'm not sure their 355 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:22,819 heart is in the same place it was 10 15 356 00:15:28,090 --> 00:15:25,610 20 years ago when they were having all 357 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:28,100 the contact because they don't seem to 358 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:30,250 be having contact anymore 359 00:15:35,010 --> 00:15:32,830 you know isn't that odd and I think the 360 00:15:36,900 --> 00:15:35,020 people who are very close to their 361 00:15:39,270 --> 00:15:36,910 contact in other words they keep it 362 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:39,280 close to how they live their life they 363 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:41,770 live in a truth they at you like what 364 00:15:46,260 --> 00:15:43,510 you just said you know look for the 365 00:15:49,230 --> 00:15:46,270 truth you know try to keep it real the 366 00:15:51,020 --> 00:15:49,240 whole bit it's all about and I think 367 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:51,030 once you get into this whole mindset 368 00:15:55,260 --> 00:15:53,590 because you got to make money you got to 369 00:15:57,210 --> 00:15:55,270 be speaking you got to have a contract 370 00:15:59,370 --> 00:15:57,220 or people are paying a thousands and 371 00:16:01,500 --> 00:15:59,380 thousands of dollars to show up and and 372 00:16:03,620 --> 00:16:01,510 do all these events and you've got all 373 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:03,630 these followers you know at some point 374 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:05,950 I've noticed when that starts happening 375 00:16:11,130 --> 00:16:08,170 for these people they start losing their 376 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:11,140 connection with these other dimensional 377 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:15,250 beings and I I just love the fact that 378 00:16:21,510 --> 00:16:18,640 you and Dennis are so down-to-earth and 379 00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:21,520 so non pulse by what's happening around 380 00:16:26,370 --> 00:16:24,100 you and very connected to it still and 381 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:26,380 looking for the truth I think that makes 382 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:27,730 all the difference as to why you're 383 00:16:31,710 --> 00:16:30,130 continually having contact and I got to 384 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:31,720 say that from Melinda Leslie and I've 385 00:16:35,550 --> 00:16:33,730 got to say that for myself and Misha and 386 00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:35,560 all of us gals who go out and do these 387 00:16:40,110 --> 00:16:38,800 skywatching events you know I think the 388 00:16:43,110 --> 00:16:40,120 reason they're getting those sightings 389 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:43,120 every single time is because they are 390 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:44,650 being true to themselves they are not 391 00:16:50,370 --> 00:16:47,170 and being true to the aliens you know 392 00:16:53,130 --> 00:16:50,380 right is with aliens you know you can't 393 00:16:54,750 --> 00:16:53,140 you can't hide from them right check and 394 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:54,760 it's not like you can sit there and hide 395 00:16:57,300 --> 00:16:56,170 your thoughts from them they know 396 00:17:04,020 --> 00:16:57,310 everything you're doing they're like 397 00:17:06,179 --> 00:17:04,030 Santa Claus right good kid you know 398 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:06,189 Santa Claus can give you a lump of coal 399 00:17:13,740 --> 00:17:09,490 coal right and you know Dennis and I 400 00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:13,750 went into it with the idea that we were 401 00:17:18,449 --> 00:17:16,000 we were not going to take money for what 402 00:17:21,270 --> 00:17:18,459 we do and that this was all about truth 403 00:17:24,090 --> 00:17:21,280 and allowing people to see what's really 404 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:24,100 going on around them absolutely that's 405 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:25,810 the most important piece of the puzzle 406 00:17:31,290 --> 00:17:28,930 you know I'm starting my UFO tours in 407 00:17:33,090 --> 00:17:31,300 the spring here in Sonoma County and 408 00:17:35,010 --> 00:17:33,100 I've invited you guys to help me with 409 00:17:38,190 --> 00:17:35,020 that and I do hope you do come along and 410 00:17:40,050 --> 00:17:38,200 we do that I'm having to bet I'm finding 411 00:17:42,990 --> 00:17:40,060 myself Chuck I'm gonna have to charge 412 00:17:44,909 --> 00:17:43,000 people for it because I got to invest in 413 00:17:48,330 --> 00:17:44,919 like ten to fifteen thousand dollars 414 00:17:51,649 --> 00:17:48,340 worth of goggles there's got to be some 415 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:51,659 way to pay those that bill back you know 416 00:17:58,169 --> 00:17:55,450 of it but it in at the same breath I've 417 00:18:00,990 --> 00:17:58,179 also asked them I've said to them look 418 00:18:03,450 --> 00:18:01,000 you know I I've got to do this you know 419 00:18:05,789 --> 00:18:03,460 help me do I do I do it and do I charge 420 00:18:07,529 --> 00:18:05,799 money for it and is it okay and I 421 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:07,539 actually got permission from them one 422 00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:09,250 day I was waking up and they said you 423 00:18:13,380 --> 00:18:10,960 know what if you need to do that you go 424 00:18:15,770 --> 00:18:13,390 right ahead because the bottom line is 425 00:18:20,580 --> 00:18:15,780 you're you're you're gonna be doing it 426 00:18:22,890 --> 00:18:20,590 you know to help people that are not in 427 00:18:25,230 --> 00:18:22,900 the UFO community become aware of it 428 00:18:27,120 --> 00:18:25,240 it's very different than you know I 429 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:27,130 think running out there with all the 430 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:28,780 people that are in the UFO community I 431 00:18:33,690 --> 00:18:31,030 would never charge them you know I would 432 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:33,700 never dreams think of charging anybody 433 00:18:36,659 --> 00:18:35,770 that's a contact II already I mean 434 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:36,669 what's the point in that 435 00:18:41,730 --> 00:18:39,700 but I am gonna be hitting a lot of 436 00:18:43,890 --> 00:18:41,740 people up that have never had never seen 437 00:18:45,120 --> 00:18:43,900 a craft don't even know aliens exist and 438 00:18:47,220 --> 00:18:45,130 they're kind of like oh that looks like 439 00:18:50,159 --> 00:18:47,230 an interesting tour I think I'll go on 440 00:18:52,049 --> 00:18:50,169 that you know and so it's gonna be very 441 00:18:54,930 --> 00:18:52,059 different world for me and I I'm just 442 00:18:57,180 --> 00:18:54,940 kind of afraid to charge but I kind of 443 00:18:59,010 --> 00:18:57,190 have to have a choice oh if you put that 444 00:19:03,870 --> 00:18:59,020 kind of money out you have to Dennis and 445 00:19:05,580 --> 00:19:03,880 I are into you know anything that we can 446 00:19:07,470 --> 00:19:05,590 get our teeth into and really do 447 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:07,480 something neat with and and this has 448 00:19:11,159 --> 00:19:09,340 been one of those things so to us it 449 00:19:13,620 --> 00:19:11,169 wasn't important to you know we only 450 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:13,630 each bought one pair so you know we're 451 00:19:18,029 --> 00:19:15,850 we're fine there but if you start buying 452 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:18,039 four or five pairs well yeah it makes 453 00:19:25,350 --> 00:19:21,130 sense to to charge and that's what what 454 00:19:28,140 --> 00:19:25,360 ed was doing and you know he he had at 455 00:19:30,419 --> 00:19:28,150 times eight and ten pairs and and that 456 00:19:40,649 --> 00:19:30,429 makes sense yeah and you've just got you 457 00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,659 got to recoup your losses they've also 458 00:19:44,700 --> 00:19:42,640 told me something very interesting and I 459 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:44,710 I I was going to tell you this on air 460 00:19:49,470 --> 00:19:46,690 but I'm going to because they said that 461 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:49,480 your story is going to tell you know cuz 462 00:19:54,210 --> 00:19:52,690 for 15 minutes before the the Sky 463 00:19:56,049 --> 00:19:54,220 Watcher maybe even up to a half an hour 464 00:19:59,440 --> 00:19:56,059 I wanted to have myself 465 00:20:01,149 --> 00:19:59,450 Fantana and you talk about our 466 00:20:04,389 --> 00:20:01,159 experiences and how different they are 467 00:20:06,190 --> 00:20:04,399 from each other and they told me that 468 00:20:08,259 --> 00:20:06,200 the three of us or even just me one 469 00:20:10,419 --> 00:20:08,269 night or Tana the next or you at one 470 00:20:12,609 --> 00:20:10,429 point or whatever we're gonna be able to 471 00:20:14,889 --> 00:20:12,619 get to a lot of people that have never 472 00:20:16,570 --> 00:20:14,899 even heard about this phenomena before 473 00:20:18,729 --> 00:20:16,580 and they're actually gonna change their 474 00:20:21,009 --> 00:20:18,739 mind about it and they're gonna be more 475 00:20:22,719 --> 00:20:21,019 open-minded in the future and that's all 476 00:20:24,759 --> 00:20:22,729 we can ask for but I thought that was 477 00:20:26,349 --> 00:20:24,769 pretty extraordinary you know there's 478 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:26,359 not going to be a lot of people on these 479 00:20:30,820 --> 00:20:28,849 tours I said I'm not doing it I told 480 00:20:33,190 --> 00:20:30,830 them I'm not doing it if I have to put 481 00:20:34,869 --> 00:20:33,200 up with skepticism all night I'm really 482 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:34,879 not gonna do it and they said you won't 483 00:20:39,639 --> 00:20:36,440 have to worry about that they will be 484 00:20:42,339 --> 00:20:39,649 able to hear the truth in your voice and 485 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:42,349 Chuck's voice and tannaz voice and I 486 00:20:49,899 --> 00:20:44,570 said okay well that's the case and I'll 487 00:20:51,579 --> 00:20:49,909 do it unless you give me permission but 488 00:20:54,639 --> 00:20:51,589 I'm also not doing it if I'm gonna get 489 00:20:56,469 --> 00:20:54,649 in a bad time so have you ever had 490 00:20:57,639 --> 00:20:56,479 people come up to you and say I just you 491 00:20:59,139 --> 00:20:57,649 know you're out of you're out of your 492 00:21:03,999 --> 00:20:59,149 mind this doesn't exist 493 00:21:08,229 --> 00:21:04,009 what are you doing yes and you know 494 00:21:10,659 --> 00:21:08,239 there are two ways to handle it you can 495 00:21:13,570 --> 00:21:10,669 tell them you know have you I asked them 496 00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,580 have you done any research and a lot of 497 00:21:18,209 --> 00:21:15,440 people have done such a minimum amount 498 00:21:22,269 --> 00:21:18,219 that they really don't have anything to 499 00:21:24,190 --> 00:21:22,279 say about it but then I like to educate 500 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:24,200 the people on what exactly they're 501 00:21:28,029 --> 00:21:25,669 looking at when they're when they're out 502 00:21:30,369 --> 00:21:28,039 with us so that they understand that 503 00:21:32,499 --> 00:21:30,379 these things are flying around a hundred 504 00:21:35,079 --> 00:21:32,509 to three hundred sometimes further not 505 00:21:39,219 --> 00:21:35,089 out in space you know obviously it's not 506 00:21:41,019 --> 00:21:39,229 being talked about on TV so you know you 507 00:21:43,329 --> 00:21:41,029 tell me if you think you know what's 508 00:21:44,979 --> 00:21:43,339 going on please explain it to me because 509 00:21:47,529 --> 00:21:44,989 I seem to know more than you know about 510 00:21:51,159 --> 00:21:47,539 it so why aren't you listening to what 511 00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:51,169 I'm saying yeah exactly exactly and you 512 00:21:58,329 --> 00:21:54,169 know what most people we were up in we 513 00:22:00,249 --> 00:21:58,339 were in Lake County we were up at gosh I 514 00:22:02,409 --> 00:22:00,259 can't remember the name of the city lake 515 00:22:05,469 --> 00:22:02,419 port we were Lakeport we were up in the 516 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:05,479 library there and there were a couple of 517 00:22:08,979 --> 00:22:06,950 people in that room that were not 518 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:08,989 believers but I think by the end of the 519 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:09,290 day 520 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:11,930 between you and Douglas and myself I 521 00:22:15,910 --> 00:22:14,150 think that these people actually had to 522 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:15,920 change a heart I had the husband of a 523 00:22:20,530 --> 00:22:18,410 woman up there who is not a big fan of 524 00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:20,540 the whole thing he goes oh she drags me 525 00:22:24,250 --> 00:22:22,030 to all this stuff right 526 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:24,260 he looked at me and he said you know 527 00:22:29,260 --> 00:22:26,300 this is very very interesting and very 528 00:22:30,250 --> 00:22:29,270 compelling I never thought I'd hear that 529 00:22:32,590 --> 00:22:30,260 out of him 530 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:32,600 and so you did a really good job that 531 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:34,250 day there were a couple people who they 532 00:22:41,490 --> 00:22:35,990 were skeptical but by the time the day 533 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:43,750 that was a day we were pretty ice packs 534 00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,950 in their armpits in spite of the heat 535 00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,960 people who are actually coming away from 536 00:22:55,330 --> 00:22:52,880 that with new information and very 537 00:22:57,010 --> 00:22:55,340 excited about the the future of ology 538 00:23:00,130 --> 00:22:57,020 and the fact that people actually are 539 00:23:01,930 --> 00:23:00,140 having these signings so I was very 540 00:23:04,570 --> 00:23:01,940 happy with you that day I mean I think 541 00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:04,580 you did a really amazing job thank you 542 00:23:08,860 --> 00:23:06,680 fencing people because you know that's 543 00:23:10,270 --> 00:23:08,870 all we can do in the end you know is sit 544 00:23:12,730 --> 00:23:10,280 there and try to convince people that 545 00:23:14,830 --> 00:23:12,740 this stuff's all real no that's right 546 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:14,840 yeah so what is your daughter think 547 00:23:20,170 --> 00:23:17,450 about all this she saw that with you it 548 00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:20,180 is she's true believer oh absolutely 549 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:25,100 and I I wouldn't say that she wasn't a 550 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:30,620 believer before she she kind of sees it 551 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:32,690 as why would we know everything that's 552 00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:35,810 going on you know I'm sure there's all 553 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:36,950 kinds of things going on you're not 554 00:23:46,810 --> 00:23:39,050 letting us know about it so why should I 555 00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:46,820 be surprised it's funny College not 556 00:24:03,630 --> 00:24:00,940 she hasn't but I was going to tell you 557 00:24:06,610 --> 00:24:03,640 go ahead 558 00:24:08,350 --> 00:24:06,620 she she had me over for Thanksgiving and 559 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:08,360 she said oh you see those couple people 560 00:24:12,190 --> 00:24:10,730 over there they're kind of into some of 561 00:24:14,410 --> 00:24:12,200 the things that you're into so I went 562 00:24:17,050 --> 00:24:14,420 over and I said hi I'm Chuck and started 563 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:17,060 talking and the one guy said to me he's 564 00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:19,970 there you know you mentioned you of us 565 00:24:24,370 --> 00:24:22,400 is there anything really to that 566 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:24,380 and I started laughing and and he looked 567 00:24:27,610 --> 00:24:25,730 at me and he said wow that's the best 568 00:24:30,970 --> 00:24:27,620 response I've ever gotten why did you 569 00:24:33,490 --> 00:24:30,980 laugh and I said because there's so much 570 00:24:35,290 --> 00:24:33,500 to it that it's actually funny to me 571 00:24:39,970 --> 00:24:35,300 that there are people that don't realize 572 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:39,980 that it's reality absolutely I hope we 573 00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,250 didn't take offense I'm sure oh no no 574 00:24:46,330 --> 00:24:44,960 but he thought it was hilarious he said 575 00:24:50,110 --> 00:24:46,340 that was the best response he's ever 576 00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,120 gotten he and he was just like wow but 577 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:52,880 when when I was done talking to them 578 00:24:57,610 --> 00:24:55,730 his wife said are you a hugger and I 579 00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:57,620 said excuse me and she's they're a 580 00:25:08,410 --> 00:25:00,380 hugger I'd like to give you a hug and 581 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:08,420 thank you for what you're doing I gotta 582 00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:10,490 tell you that doesn't happen a lot for 583 00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,920 you know many of us but you know what 584 00:25:16,270 --> 00:25:14,240 you did is you just changed somebody's 585 00:25:18,610 --> 00:25:16,280 whole paradigm in that in that dinner 586 00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:18,620 you know that's right cool 587 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:20,840 that's right good well you know we're 588 00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:22,970 gonna have to do I hate to say it but 589 00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:25,220 we've already exhausted our time here 590 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:30,380 for this thing so um Chuck I just you 591 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:33,290 know I really adore you and Dennis and I 592 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:34,970 really I gotta look forward to working 593 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:38,810 with you guys in 2018 do you think that 594 00:25:43,390 --> 00:25:41,150 2018 is gonna bring about any disclosure 595 00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:43,400 anything you know just quickly do you 596 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:48,800 think anything's gonna happen I I kind 597 00:25:52,300 --> 00:25:50,390 of doubt it I don't really don't think 598 00:25:53,980 --> 00:25:52,310 they want us to know and I think that 599 00:26:02,530 --> 00:25:53,990 the kind of disclosure we're gonna get 600 00:26:03,850 --> 00:26:02,540 is cartoon type stuff well that's you 601 00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:03,860 know that's the way it's gonna have to 602 00:26:08,350 --> 00:26:05,900 be for just a while longer I think I 603 00:26:12,550 --> 00:26:08,360 think in by 2020 things are gonna start 604 00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:12,560 really shaking I hope you know they said 605 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:14,480 2020 and beyond would be very different 606 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:17,210 than now because our country's an 607 00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,620 upheaval there's a lot of other things 608 00:26:24,340 --> 00:26:20,240 that are going on that are taking at 609 00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:24,350 people's you know time and once we get 610 00:26:28,150 --> 00:26:26,030 that all straightened out I think things 611 00:26:28,330 --> 00:26:28,160 are be very very different so there we 612 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:28,340 go 613 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:30,770 well happy Holidays to you and thank you 614 00:26:35,980 --> 00:26:32,930 so much for being on the show tonight oh 615 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:35,990 thank you and right back at you 616 00:26:40,270 --> 00:26:37,970 yeah and we'll have you on for a full 617 00:26:42,430 --> 00:26:40,280 show here in a few months and it'll be 618 00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:42,440 wonderful great thanks everybody keep 619 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:43,940 sticking around we're having a great 620 00:26:50,010 --> 00:26:46,250 holiday special here tonight on irn 621 00:26:56,290 --> 00:26:53,410 welcome back to the California MUFON 622 00:26:59,470 --> 00:26:56,300 radio show holiday special folks hey 623 00:27:01,330 --> 00:26:59,480 I've got I got one of my best friends 624 00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,340 here with us on the show tonight hey I 625 00:27:05,049 --> 00:27:03,679 think I have a lot of my best friends 626 00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:05,059 here on the show tonight but I'm really 627 00:27:10,540 --> 00:27:07,640 excited to bring Tron on with us mr. 628 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:10,550 blue trona strong to me I hope he is to 629 00:27:13,900 --> 00:27:11,360 you guys as well 630 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:13,910 Tron how you doing hi everybody and 631 00:27:17,049 --> 00:27:15,350 Merry Christmas and Thank You Laurieann 632 00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:17,059 for having me on again and I'm doing 633 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:17,840 great thank you 634 00:27:21,580 --> 00:27:19,850 oh yeah I'm really happy to have you I'm 635 00:27:22,870 --> 00:27:21,590 just I'm kind of flummoxed here because 636 00:27:25,419 --> 00:27:22,880 I'm trying to make sure we're recording 637 00:27:28,360 --> 00:27:25,429 but we are we are I don't record often 638 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:28,370 and you know these holiday specials are 639 00:27:33,340 --> 00:27:30,650 always fun fun fun for us and we sit 640 00:27:35,650 --> 00:27:33,350 here we we battle the technology but 641 00:27:39,340 --> 00:27:35,660 that's just the way it goes right that's 642 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:39,350 true yeah so anyhow what are you gonna 643 00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:42,890 do for Christmas this year well it's 644 00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:45,110 almost like deja vu but I got my ham 645 00:27:48,970 --> 00:27:48,470 license and I bought a radio that's 646 00:27:53,860 --> 00:27:48,980 broken 647 00:27:56,049 --> 00:27:53,870 a you know it's a transceiver it's a 648 00:27:59,740 --> 00:27:56,059 hunter watt ham band multi band 649 00:28:01,299 --> 00:27:59,750 transceiver and the guy misrepresented 650 00:28:02,590 --> 00:28:01,309 it to me he said he was he told me he's 651 00:28:03,970 --> 00:28:02,600 broken when I bought it there's a 652 00:28:08,470 --> 00:28:03,980 thousand dollar radio and they got it 653 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:08,480 for $250 on eBay and I when I opened it 654 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:12,050 up I could see that one side of it had 655 00:28:15,549 --> 00:28:14,030 been sitting in well it has saltwater 656 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:15,559 corrosion and I should have known better 657 00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:17,450 because I bought the radio from a guy in 658 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:22,160 Florida and and they just went to like 659 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:25,370 what 20 hurricanes down there in 660 00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:28,490 standing water so anyway that's what I'm 661 00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:29,840 doing for Christmas is I'm fixing my 662 00:28:34,990 --> 00:28:33,500 radio cool sounds like fun it is you 663 00:28:37,540 --> 00:28:35,000 know the whole ham thing I really 664 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:37,550 intrigues me and you know art Bell 665 00:28:40,930 --> 00:28:39,650 started with ham radio didn't he yeah 666 00:28:44,590 --> 00:28:40,940 that's true that's true 667 00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:44,600 and a tape recorder and a tape recorder 668 00:28:48,620 --> 00:28:46,400 that's right and he used to tape the 669 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:48,630 shows and then he'd reprise 670 00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:50,730 cast them Whitney yeah but he actually 671 00:28:56,510 --> 00:28:53,280 had people call his trailer and he 672 00:29:00,650 --> 00:28:56,520 record him and then he go into a they 673 00:29:03,140 --> 00:29:00,660 had these free one-hour time slots on 674 00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:03,150 the radio stations late night and then 675 00:29:08,060 --> 00:29:05,310 he'd go over as a volunteer and play the 676 00:29:12,740 --> 00:29:08,070 tapes back and it became so popular that 677 00:29:16,300 --> 00:29:12,750 Robert Bigelow the billionaire got wind 678 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:16,310 of it and he started funding his show 679 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,770 which then allowed him to the station's 680 00:29:24,290 --> 00:29:22,080 started getting advertisers and and 681 00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:24,300 basically Robert Bigelow funded the show 682 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,620 so that would would became 683 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:27,600 coast-to-coast and it got so much 684 00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:30,690 syndication and Bigelow was using the 685 00:29:36,740 --> 00:29:35,190 show to draw attention from all the UFO 686 00:29:38,900 --> 00:29:36,750 just out there everybody was having 687 00:29:40,700 --> 00:29:38,910 contact experiences would call in to the 688 00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:40,710 show to get a chance to talk on the show 689 00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:42,990 and Robert Bigelow got access to the 690 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:44,580 information before anybody else did and 691 00:29:47,390 --> 00:29:46,770 he'd send his teams out to study those 692 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:47,400 events 693 00:29:55,790 --> 00:29:54,210 oh yeah that's how it worked dreamland 694 00:29:59,360 --> 00:29:55,800 that's right green land and coast to 695 00:30:01,810 --> 00:29:59,370 coast and then all of a sudden art bill 696 00:30:05,030 --> 00:30:01,820 started having all these problems you 697 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:05,040 know well his son was kidnapped and then 698 00:30:09,650 --> 00:30:07,170 there was I mean all kinds of weird 699 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:09,660 stuff was going on and it was it's right 700 00:30:14,150 --> 00:30:11,850 around ends when art bell dropped out 701 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:14,160 radio and the reason was because he was 702 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:16,170 drawing too much attention to the right 703 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:20,490 subjects in my opinion very interesting 704 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:22,890 you know the speaking of drawing 705 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:25,650 attention to the right subjects you told 706 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:27,330 me I don't know if we can talk about it 707 00:30:36,740 --> 00:30:29,370 on radio but you said you've had a men 708 00:30:38,420 --> 00:30:36,750 in black experience in your life well in 709 00:30:41,900 --> 00:30:38,430 order to talk about it I have to do a 710 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:41,910 whole lot of background yakking it's not 711 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:44,690 oh absolutely 712 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:50,490 what a men in black is well I tell you 713 00:30:53,930 --> 00:30:51,930 you don't want to see them first of all 714 00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:53,940 every time they show up there's some bad 715 00:30:59,840 --> 00:30:57,840 going on I mean it's bad oh my god now 716 00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,850 are the human are they I don't know I 717 00:31:03,660 --> 00:31:01,600 think they're alien 718 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:03,670 really you really you know you're the 719 00:31:08,100 --> 00:31:05,410 about the tenth person that's told me 720 00:31:09,690 --> 00:31:08,110 that everybody I have assets had an 721 00:31:10,890 --> 00:31:09,700 encounter said God that couldn't have 722 00:31:14,610 --> 00:31:10,900 been a human because they were just too 723 00:31:16,650 --> 00:31:14,620 bizarre you know they they every time 724 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:16,660 there's a men and black event happens 725 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:18,970 there's always something involving some 726 00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:26,650 kind of a weird sexual aspect maybe it's 727 00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,960 because they're embarrassed yeah yeah 728 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:31,120 you know I was embarrassed about one of 729 00:31:36,180 --> 00:31:34,450 my encounters if it wasn't encounter it 730 00:31:40,860 --> 00:31:36,190 had to because no one tells you to keep 731 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:40,870 their eyes shut for an excuse to be 732 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:46,810 Jesus out of you're right I said you 733 00:31:58,860 --> 00:31:48,010 don't to know about what's going to 734 00:32:00,270 --> 00:31:58,870 happen you see it oh my god that was one 735 00:32:05,100 --> 00:32:00,280 of the most painful things I think I've 736 00:32:06,930 --> 00:32:05,110 ever had done to me my existence oh yeah 737 00:32:09,690 --> 00:32:06,940 you can hurt me astral when we go out to 738 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:09,700 eat we never agree on where to go what 739 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:12,280 burgers heats up tacos it is the one 740 00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:13,960 thing we do agree on is we all want 741 00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:16,120 unlimited high-speed data that's why we 742 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:17,710 switch to metro pcs 743 00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:19,810 stop by metro pcs with the whole family 744 00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:22,000 and get four lines with unlimited LTE 745 00:32:26,460 --> 00:32:24,550 data for just $100 period metro pcs 746 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:26,470 Wireless figured out covers not 747 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:27,610 available in some areas offers for our 748 00:32:30,030 --> 00:32:28,810 poor in a number not currently active on 749 00:32:31,050 --> 00:32:30,040 t-mobile network during congestion the 750 00:32:32,220 --> 00:32:31,060 fraction of customers used more than 751 00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:32,230 thirty five gigs per month may notice 752 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:34,060 reduce beats video streams DUP 240p no 753 00:32:38,910 --> 00:32:35,320 tethering C store for details in terms 754 00:32:40,740 --> 00:32:38,920 and conditions claim do you no matter 755 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:40,750 where they stick it in your office if 756 00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:42,250 you're in the weather your natural 757 00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:51,940 player otherwise it hurts my conference 758 00:32:54,660 --> 00:32:53,800 and he told me the other day he goes you 759 00:32:56,910 --> 00:32:54,670 know I've been having all these 760 00:32:58,680 --> 00:32:56,920 encounters all this time and and I don't 761 00:33:00,600 --> 00:32:58,690 know if he wants me to tell what 762 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:00,610 happened but basically they did some 763 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:03,010 probing and he was like I always told 764 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:08,010 them go pro P don't stick it in there 765 00:33:13,410 --> 00:33:11,290 finally did it he was so furious this is 766 00:33:14,270 --> 00:33:13,420 like oh my god he goes I can't believe 767 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:14,280 they did it but 768 00:33:18,020 --> 00:33:15,570 if yeah I mean it's just it's 769 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:18,030 interesting you know the men in black 770 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:21,450 are supposedly now this is what dan 771 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:23,610 burisch has said at one point I don't 772 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:25,410 know if you you believe in anything that 773 00:33:30,260 --> 00:33:28,050 dan burisch has to say but he at one 774 00:33:32,510 --> 00:33:30,270 point said these weird men in black a 775 00:33:37,940 --> 00:33:32,520 lot of them are aliens that have come 776 00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:37,950 down and inhabited dead or very sick 777 00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:40,620 people that are that they're animating 778 00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:43,260 their bodies do you think he was onto 779 00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:45,900 something I mean I don't have a thing 780 00:33:52,550 --> 00:33:49,500 I've ever heard in my life I believe I 781 00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:52,560 don't you can do you can do certain 782 00:33:57,670 --> 00:33:54,270 things with physics and I don't think 783 00:34:01,400 --> 00:33:57,680 bringing back dead people is one of them 784 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:01,410 the problem the problem is is if you 785 00:34:07,310 --> 00:34:03,930 have enough science that you can cause 786 00:34:12,919 --> 00:34:07,320 flesh to come back and be animated why 787 00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:12,929 not just make it from scratch well why 788 00:34:17,330 --> 00:34:15,240 would they make it look like a dead well 789 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:17,340 that's true that's true why would you do 790 00:34:21,770 --> 00:34:19,020 that why would you have to control a 791 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:21,780 body that's yeah yeah well I mean if you 792 00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,370 got enough science I mean what happens 793 00:34:27,409 --> 00:34:24,960 to but what happens to flesh when it 794 00:34:29,869 --> 00:34:27,419 dies I mean what happens to a body body 795 00:34:32,659 --> 00:34:29,879 when it dies the nutrients the the 796 00:34:37,460 --> 00:34:32,669 nutrients okay your your bloodstream is 797 00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,470 the nutrient and the waste canal it's a 798 00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:40,139 pipe right and it brings oxygen and 799 00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:43,860 basically sugar sucrose you know and say 800 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,040 the sugar it's it brings that to the to 801 00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:50,399 the plant to the to the cells most this 802 00:34:56,030 --> 00:34:54,060 takes place the it feeds in aspirates to 803 00:34:59,870 --> 00:34:56,040 cell right through the walls to osmosis 804 00:35:01,220 --> 00:34:59,880 and the cells do their action and they 805 00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:01,230 move around and fornicate and whatever 806 00:35:06,110 --> 00:35:02,820 else the little cells do in there and 807 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:06,120 then the output the output their waste 808 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:08,910 products back into the bloodstream okay 809 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:10,890 and then the liver takes all that takes 810 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:14,010 all that waste out and the bladder you 811 00:35:19,430 --> 00:35:16,650 know in the kidneys separate the fluids 812 00:35:22,220 --> 00:35:19,440 the toxic fluids so you got you got you 813 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:22,230 got you know your your urine is carrying 814 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:24,330 out the toxins out of your bloodstream 815 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:27,690 right and the waste the hard waste comes 816 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:28,210 out 817 00:35:34,349 --> 00:35:31,990 top of your stomach and go down to the 818 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:34,359 intestines and that's really where your 819 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:36,609 body eats is not in your stomach but 820 00:35:41,609 --> 00:35:39,250 it's in your intestines the top part is 821 00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:41,619 the literally which are these little 822 00:35:46,380 --> 00:35:44,200 hairy things there's reach into the into 823 00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:46,390 the food canal and it's pulling out the 824 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:48,430 food and and it's putting poop in is 825 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,010 putting the the stuff it doesn't eat 826 00:35:55,650 --> 00:35:53,680 falls down through through gravity down 827 00:35:57,780 --> 00:35:55,660 in the lower portion becomes the it's a 828 00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:57,790 poopoo tract right the elementary travel 829 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:01,359 and it comes out as waste okay so so 830 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:03,970 long as these things are working your 831 00:36:08,460 --> 00:36:06,640 body your flesh and your cells are 832 00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:08,470 supple and they got water and they got 833 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:12,040 fluid and they they're alive when it 834 00:36:18,980 --> 00:36:16,000 dies okay when it dies all that stops 835 00:36:21,299 --> 00:36:18,990 happening all the waste matter starts 836 00:36:22,530 --> 00:36:21,309 staying in the cells and then it starts 837 00:36:23,819 --> 00:36:22,540 rotting just like you know food in the 838 00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:23,829 refrigerator you know it starts rotting 839 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:25,510 and before you know it starts breaking 840 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:27,609 down and that's what makes my stink so 841 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:30,250 bad and they do they stink they stink 842 00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:31,930 like is this a special kind of a smell 843 00:36:36,809 --> 00:36:34,329 dead bodies human dead bodies are worse 844 00:36:40,890 --> 00:36:36,819 than animal dead bodies but they're in 845 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:40,900 the same category of stink okay to keep 846 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:42,730 the body from stinking and completely 847 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:45,609 rotting morticians come in and stick a 848 00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:47,650 couple little hoses into your veins and 849 00:36:54,329 --> 00:36:51,520 they pump formaldehyde they flush out 850 00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:54,339 the blood the stagnant blood they 851 00:36:58,620 --> 00:36:55,770 flushed that out through all the pipes 852 00:37:01,049 --> 00:36:58,630 the veins and arteries and they've they 853 00:37:03,299 --> 00:37:01,059 drain the blood out and replace it with 854 00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:03,309 formaldehyde basically they're turning 855 00:37:10,170 --> 00:37:07,420 you into leather okay they bury you in 856 00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:10,180 the ground and you look like a person 857 00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:12,790 you know that you used to know until you 858 00:37:17,390 --> 00:37:16,089 touch one you ever touch a dead guy man 859 00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:17,400 they feel like they feel like cardboard 860 00:37:24,299 --> 00:37:21,390 if we're interesting they're almost yeah 861 00:37:27,299 --> 00:37:24,309 weird feeling you want to get a feeling 862 00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:27,309 of what it feels like take a person that 863 00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:28,720 you know is some person you know and 864 00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:30,910 have them touch your hand to their hand 865 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:32,500 you know some thumb finger to finger 866 00:37:37,470 --> 00:37:35,049 like that and then take it take your 867 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:37,480 other hand and run it up and down the 868 00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:39,910 finger so that what your thumb touches 869 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:42,010 your friends finger and 870 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:44,110 your and your other fingers touch the 871 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:46,930 other side of your own and it feels like 872 00:37:50,700 --> 00:37:48,610 that you can see that you're feeling 873 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:50,710 something that you recognize as being 874 00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:53,290 human but it has a cardboard kind of a 875 00:37:56,820 --> 00:37:55,480 feeling to it it's like ooh that's a 876 00:37:58,890 --> 00:37:56,830 distant kind of well how can you be 877 00:38:01,110 --> 00:37:58,900 distant yet near at the same time it's 878 00:38:03,210 --> 00:38:01,120 it's that kind of a weird it's a high 879 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:03,220 strangest feeling anyway so you got 880 00:38:07,530 --> 00:38:05,170 basically a piece of cardboard there or 881 00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,540 a piece of leather with eyeballs in it 882 00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:10,000 actually they take the eyes out because 883 00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:12,730 they just they take out the brains they 884 00:38:17,730 --> 00:38:15,580 take out the heart below okay so you got 885 00:38:20,540 --> 00:38:17,740 a show sitting there okay why would I 886 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:20,550 buy why would an alien come along and 887 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:23,530 reanimate a piece of leather to look 888 00:38:27,810 --> 00:38:25,450 like a person and they got the 889 00:38:30,330 --> 00:38:27,820 technology to do that why not just make 890 00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:30,340 the person from scratch I know I know 891 00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:32,470 but maybe there is something I don't 892 00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:34,120 know like I said do you want to believe 893 00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,180 Danvers I don't know you know the thing 894 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,240 is though if the if the brains are still 895 00:38:44,490 --> 00:38:42,640 intact and it's a freshly dead body not 896 00:38:46,020 --> 00:38:44,500 no brains are not attacked that's the 897 00:38:48,390 --> 00:38:46,030 first thing to die on a human being in 898 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:48,400 fact that's why you do die people die 899 00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,730 because the brain dies every that's when 900 00:38:55,530 --> 00:38:54,400 you bleed out it isn't because the heart 901 00:38:56,670 --> 00:38:55,540 and lungs aren't getting blood is 902 00:38:59,190 --> 00:38:56,680 because the brain doesn't have any 903 00:39:01,320 --> 00:38:59,200 nutrition when your brain dies is when 904 00:39:03,810 --> 00:39:01,330 the body dies just that simple that's 905 00:39:04,950 --> 00:39:03,820 everybody dies the same way unless you 906 00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:04,960 get shot in head and all their brains 907 00:39:10,980 --> 00:39:08,400 get splattered out but if like Kennedy 908 00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:10,990 but everybody sparkles out that's how 909 00:39:15,330 --> 00:39:13,120 you die you it's like having a foot go 910 00:39:16,860 --> 00:39:15,340 to sleep and you get those little 911 00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:16,870 sparkly feelings on your feet while 912 00:39:21,270 --> 00:39:18,670 instead it's in your vision field and 913 00:39:22,830 --> 00:39:21,280 you actually see it and you actually see 914 00:39:25,470 --> 00:39:22,840 the little sparkles and you Sparkle out 915 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:25,480 how I know this is because I have a very 916 00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:28,570 bad case of arrhythmia and what happens 917 00:39:36,330 --> 00:39:31,180 is periodically I take medication for 918 00:39:38,610 --> 00:39:36,340 this by the way once and well my heart 919 00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:38,620 will stop beating long enough that I 920 00:39:44,580 --> 00:39:41,500 start to Sparkle and actually I see it 921 00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:44,590 as a kind of a numbness forms on my lips 922 00:39:48,570 --> 00:39:47,350 my tongue and my in my fingertips 923 00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,580 everything starts getting kind of a 924 00:39:54,660 --> 00:39:51,040 numbness a tingling sensation and then I 925 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:54,670 actually see little sparkles and 926 00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:56,920 and then you pass that and then you pass 927 00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:01,320 out that is exactly how everybody dies 928 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:04,750 okay it's not unpleasant it's scary 929 00:40:11,490 --> 00:40:07,090 because if you know it's coming you know 930 00:40:15,930 --> 00:40:11,500 [\h__\h] I'm dying you know gonna happen 931 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:15,940 next week to find Kabbalah teacher we're 932 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:20,290 just as conscious in this life form as 933 00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:25,810 we are when we're asleep because it's 934 00:40:31,590 --> 00:40:29,440 yet zero it's yeah yes I was just gonna 935 00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:31,600 say that's taking you straight into the 936 00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:34,270 next realm and just which is the astral 937 00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:37,270 plane and if you're a weakened astral 938 00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:41,230 plane when you die you lose your you 939 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:43,540 just remember your consciousness is not 940 00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,570 you it's not your brain the brain is a 941 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:48,400 computer it's a fabric that allows 942 00:40:55,140 --> 00:40:53,770 consciousness to express itself okay if 943 00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:55,150 you've got a computer that's smart if 944 00:40:58,950 --> 00:40:56,230 you've got a computer with enough 945 00:41:01,580 --> 00:40:58,960 switches enough diodes enough switches 946 00:41:04,350 --> 00:41:01,590 eventually it'll become conscious 947 00:41:06,300 --> 00:41:04,360 because God's consciousness is 948 00:41:09,540 --> 00:41:06,310 everywhere and we get our consciousness 949 00:41:12,690 --> 00:41:09,550 from God God is the source of everything 950 00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:12,700 that's alive is the source it's just the 951 00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:14,560 source and if you have the right 952 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:16,950 conditions and right fabrics 953 00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:19,720 consciousness will will take hold and 954 00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:22,960 exhibit itself in that place so if 955 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:24,610 you've got a world that's got enough 956 00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:27,010 silicon laying around on the beaches and 957 00:41:31,050 --> 00:41:28,960 you have enough water in the right 958 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:31,060 combinations enough germanium and 959 00:41:35,070 --> 00:41:33,250 geranium and put in in the in the 960 00:41:40,530 --> 00:41:35,080 impurities where you can literally have 961 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:40,540 a beach full of rusting silicon and with 962 00:41:43,290 --> 00:41:41,290 a flashlight 963 00:41:47,370 --> 00:41:43,300 you could actually have consciousness 964 00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:47,380 form in crystals on a beach and it could 965 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:50,640 literally become a silicon-based 966 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:52,810 intelligence switching based 967 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:55,450 intelligence that evolved entirely on 968 00:42:00,060 --> 00:41:57,610 its own and be and totally alien 969 00:42:03,210 --> 00:42:00,070 consciousness that could continue to 970 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:03,220 evolve until it became mobile and the 971 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:04,690 only reason why we became mobile is 972 00:42:08,460 --> 00:42:06,370 because we could get better food sources 973 00:42:12,180 --> 00:42:08,470 according to what everybody says 974 00:42:13,589 --> 00:42:12,190 about evolution we evolved wait wait 975 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:13,599 wait do you believe that because I 976 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,170 thought absolutely the mind that the 977 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:19,930 aliens messed with us oh yeah sure 978 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:23,170 absolutely binky told me that he made 979 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:26,830 humans in the Garden of Eden and he's 980 00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:31,810 still alive he's a dragon yeah yeah well 981 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:33,340 and you're not the only one that says 982 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:34,810 that by the way I've got three other 983 00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:37,930 guests that absolutely have met him and 984 00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:40,150 say he's exactly what you say he is 985 00:42:46,410 --> 00:42:43,200 that's just telling what he told me and 986 00:42:49,859 --> 00:42:46,420 it was before I knew a thing anything 987 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:49,869 about his astrology or tarot cards he 988 00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:52,570 told me he programmed into human into 989 00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:55,060 early humans he said when he said first 990 00:43:01,530 --> 00:42:56,560 of all he said that he belonged to a 991 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:01,540 secret order on another Sirius B he says 992 00:43:04,890 --> 00:43:02,920 that's the place where the good dragons 993 00:43:06,420 --> 00:43:04,900 come from is they come from Sirius B the 994 00:43:08,730 --> 00:43:06,430 good reptilians there's good and bad 995 00:43:10,890 --> 00:43:08,740 reptilians just for like students and 996 00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:10,900 Americans or or maybe Americans and 997 00:43:14,900 --> 00:43:11,560 Israelis 998 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:14,910 there's the good in the bad okay and and 999 00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:20,530 so or bad Americans too there's bad and 1000 00:43:26,839 --> 00:43:22,240 everything but you know there's there 1001 00:43:30,750 --> 00:43:26,849 there's a tendency to have specific 1002 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:30,760 predispositions in races and it may not 1003 00:43:34,829 --> 00:43:32,530 necessarily be bad it just may be so 1004 00:43:40,650 --> 00:43:34,839 different that they don't get along okay 1005 00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:40,660 and that's what makes them bad yeah 1006 00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:44,020 usually it's religion date you betcha 1007 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:48,880 anyway so the good guy reptilians come 1008 00:43:54,020 --> 00:43:51,430 from or Dragons come from Sirius B and 1009 00:43:57,839 --> 00:43:54,030 he is a member of a secret organization 1010 00:44:01,650 --> 00:43:57,849 secret spiritual group in Sirius B and 1011 00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:01,660 wherever they go and create colonies and 1012 00:44:05,130 --> 00:44:03,640 then they do it all the time they fly 1013 00:44:06,660 --> 00:44:05,140 around a spacecraft and they're always 1014 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:06,670 looking for resources for their 1015 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:09,010 homeworld or for their interests and 1016 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:12,010 they when they find a place they instead 1017 00:44:15,690 --> 00:44:14,170 of then themselves working the mines and 1018 00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:15,700 all this stuff they take the most 1019 00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:17,710 intelligent life form on the planet and 1020 00:44:22,289 --> 00:44:20,800 they cross their DNA the reptilian DNA 1021 00:44:25,669 --> 00:44:22,299 with those with those 1022 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:25,679 my forms and they create a literally a 1023 00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,650 subspecies of reptilians that are become 1024 00:44:35,069 --> 00:44:32,079 literally slaves for them and they work 1025 00:44:36,809 --> 00:44:35,079 the mines they work they do the labor 1026 00:44:38,849 --> 00:44:36,819 and that's what they did to us 1027 00:44:41,219 --> 00:44:38,859 only the difference is is in most of the 1028 00:44:43,949 --> 00:44:41,229 worlds of the universe of the galaxy its 1029 00:44:46,019 --> 00:44:43,959 reptilian life that forms but because we 1030 00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:46,029 had an asteroid that hit earth 73 1031 00:44:50,370 --> 00:44:48,569 million years ago it wiped out the 1032 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:50,380 reptilian life-form 1033 00:44:56,039 --> 00:44:52,209 the food chain that the reptilian food 1034 00:44:59,279 --> 00:44:56,049 chain the the most intelligent lifeform 1035 00:45:01,380 --> 00:44:59,289 on the planet were mammals and not 1036 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:01,390 reptilians so they had this big problem 1037 00:45:05,279 --> 00:45:03,130 and this by the way is supported in 1038 00:45:09,959 --> 00:45:05,289 Sanskrit in the Upanishads of the Rig 1039 00:45:11,609 --> 00:45:09,969 Veda and and it said basically said that 1040 00:45:14,999 --> 00:45:11,619 they had all this trouble trying to make 1041 00:45:18,209 --> 00:45:15,009 an enhancer I forget her name 1042 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:18,219 inky's sister had trouble trying to make 1043 00:45:23,669 --> 00:45:20,650 humans and kept failing and he came 1044 00:45:25,819 --> 00:45:23,679 along and he crossed the DNA he showed 1045 00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:25,829 me the process I actually saw him do it 1046 00:45:31,650 --> 00:45:29,049 it was like watching a movie I watched 1047 00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:31,660 Tim literally take a needle and stick it 1048 00:45:35,489 --> 00:45:33,609 into the butt of a red-faced baboon I 1049 00:45:37,650 --> 00:45:35,499 could see the animal very clear he 1050 00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:37,660 pulled out blood you know what something 1051 00:45:43,439 --> 00:45:39,609 looked just like a syringe and he 1052 00:45:45,809 --> 00:45:43,449 unwrapped the RNA by 12% the ribo 1053 00:45:47,279 --> 00:45:45,819 nucleic acid and then he went over to 1054 00:45:50,359 --> 00:45:47,289 something to look like a centrifuge with 1055 00:45:53,669 --> 00:45:50,369 a whole bunch of test tubes selected one 1056 00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:53,679 put the two syringes put the tube test 1057 00:45:57,989 --> 00:45:55,689 tubes into this machine punched some 1058 00:46:01,079 --> 00:45:57,999 buttons and a half-hour later he took 1059 00:46:02,789 --> 00:46:01,089 took the output bottle stuck the syringe 1060 00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:02,799 in it and squirted it into the butt of 1061 00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:06,160 the baboon and in 32 days it reverted 1062 00:46:13,019 --> 00:46:09,369 from being a quadruped ed to a biped it 1063 00:46:15,419 --> 00:46:13,029 was all the fur had fallen off of it it 1064 00:46:18,029 --> 00:46:15,429 had these little square reddish like 1065 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:18,039 squares there tiles they look like tiles 1066 00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:20,049 but they're little little tiles not like 1067 00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:22,329 a like like something like looking at an 1068 00:46:26,729 --> 00:46:24,609 alligator only they're tiles are really 1069 00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:26,739 kind of coarse and rugged and big and 1070 00:46:31,259 --> 00:46:29,130 thick and chunky these are like little 1071 00:46:33,929 --> 00:46:31,269 like what you see on the bottom of a 1072 00:46:35,790 --> 00:46:33,939 snake on the smooth side snake and it 1073 00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:35,800 was shiny like that but the 1074 00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:38,890 skin was the the the Highbury was a 1075 00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:43,510 shiny almost bright red in color the 1076 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:45,070 whole body was covered like that had 1077 00:46:48,420 --> 00:46:46,930 these little short almost looked like 1078 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:48,430 horns on the top of the head but they're 1079 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:50,770 like they're little bumps the eyes were 1080 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:53,650 goats lit blood-red the eyes were 1081 00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:56,410 originally blood-red with they were they 1082 00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:00,640 were orange orange Acuras humor the slit 1083 00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:04,870 was was blood it was actually was blood 1084 00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:07,960 red activist humor with an orange race 1085 00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:11,020 orange vertical slit had three finger 1086 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:15,730 thumb and it had a short tail and it 1087 00:47:26,310 --> 00:47:18,670 looked just like early drawings of well 1088 00:47:29,700 --> 00:47:26,320 the devil our ancestry they recalled her 1089 00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:29,710 Mane Koopas they were called her Mane 1090 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:32,530 nubes then there's if you look on key 1091 00:47:37,470 --> 00:47:35,170 ten of the tarot deck you'll see one and 1092 00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,480 it's a drawing of a Herman nubes and 1093 00:47:41,970 --> 00:47:39,520 they they're they called it Herman nubes 1094 00:47:44,850 --> 00:47:41,980 in Egyptology it's called a human nubes 1095 00:47:46,830 --> 00:47:44,860 but it was a prototype human put that 1096 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:46,840 was called a prototype human the 1097 00:47:51,930 --> 00:47:49,810 Egyptian Book of the Dead discussions 1098 00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:51,940 anyway that's what we were made as and 1099 00:47:57,450 --> 00:47:54,640 originally baboons just say see have 1100 00:47:59,340 --> 00:47:57,460 four fingers and a thumb and and the 1101 00:48:01,620 --> 00:47:59,350 Herman nubes had three fingers on thumb 1102 00:48:04,620 --> 00:48:01,630 if you look at the the the ring finger 1103 00:48:07,610 --> 00:48:04,630 and the inner finger I mean all of the 1104 00:48:10,830 --> 00:48:07,620 early drawings of the of the Tarot and 1105 00:48:15,390 --> 00:48:10,840 early human drawings from the from the 1106 00:48:17,610 --> 00:48:15,400 Hebrew traditions the two inner fingers 1107 00:48:20,970 --> 00:48:17,620 are drawn is a fat finger in the middle 1108 00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:20,980 and at some point what happens after 1109 00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:22,720 what they call the fall those two 1110 00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:25,060 fingers separated we slept off our 1111 00:48:30,030 --> 00:48:28,240 reptilian hide and where became what was 1112 00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,040 called in the Bible's being naked and 1113 00:48:36,900 --> 00:48:34,000 what was happened as we no longer molted 1114 00:48:38,730 --> 00:48:36,910 when we slept off just like snakes and 1115 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:38,740 reptilians to regularly molt and they 1116 00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:40,330 get rid of their old hide because 1117 00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:45,270 they're called the the mammalian DNA 1118 00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:47,740 became more dominant 1119 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:49,240 and we went through what they call the 1120 00:48:55,620 --> 00:48:52,090 fall and that was we no longer molted 1121 00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:55,630 and our reptilian hides slept off and we 1122 00:49:00,510 --> 00:48:58,810 are to enter fingers became separated we 1123 00:49:03,450 --> 00:49:00,520 had four fingers and the thumb again 1124 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:03,460 because that's your a million's ancestor 1125 00:49:09,450 --> 00:49:06,010 had it whereas the reptilians have three 1126 00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:09,460 fingers on the thumb and we became 1127 00:49:15,630 --> 00:49:11,410 bipedal and we were always by pail but 1128 00:49:17,550 --> 00:49:15,640 we we became list reptilian like in our 1129 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:17,560 behaviors and became more and more men 1130 00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:19,690 million and somewhere around that time 1131 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:23,950 period is when the is when the Dragons 1132 00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:27,010 went someplace they they're they're 1133 00:49:33,330 --> 00:49:29,860 still around but as best as I can tell 1134 00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:33,340 they using technology they they went up 1135 00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,150 into another dimension it's not Zura is 1136 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:39,520 if it's in the exerts a higher dimension 1137 00:49:45,630 --> 00:49:42,490 form of yet zero because it's not you 1138 00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:45,640 know why does all the UFO contact these 1139 00:49:50,910 --> 00:49:47,830 that I've talked to that understand that 1140 00:49:53,190 --> 00:49:50,920 the dimensional time-space with the they 1141 00:49:55,590 --> 00:49:53,200 created a construct around this planet 1142 00:49:57,240 --> 00:49:55,600 that's what they called the slots and 1143 00:49:59,040 --> 00:49:57,250 this is what I heard from my guide that 1144 00:50:01,770 --> 00:49:59,050 supposedly was helping Nixon with the 1145 00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:01,780 UFO problem he says Laurie you don't 1146 00:50:05,609 --> 00:50:03,820 understand they created a whole nother 1147 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:05,619 dimensional time-space around this 1148 00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:07,930 planet or with next to the planet or I 1149 00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:10,150 don't know where it is and relationship 1150 00:50:16,590 --> 00:50:12,670 to us but it's where they take us it's 1151 00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:16,600 where they hide it's it's not it's not 1152 00:50:20,430 --> 00:50:18,430 anywhere near God I can tell you that 1153 00:50:24,359 --> 00:50:20,440 it's not near death it's a whole 1154 00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:24,369 construct and he's got nothing dying or 1155 00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:28,480 death it's just it's another place exact 1156 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:31,750 but it's related to us it is where they 1157 00:50:36,780 --> 00:50:34,210 it's like them being in our upper 1158 00:50:38,220 --> 00:50:36,790 atmosphere at all times right right yeah 1159 00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:38,230 yeah exactly 1160 00:50:42,930 --> 00:50:40,990 which I'm when I did that I did that one 1161 00:50:45,900 --> 00:50:42,940 lecture at your conference right 1162 00:50:48,270 --> 00:50:45,910 showed the craft of plowing the fields 1163 00:50:52,140 --> 00:50:48,280 that's exactly what I was talking about 1164 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:52,150 yep yep that's exactly it and what it is 1165 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:54,490 they can hide there and we can drive 1166 00:50:58,050 --> 00:50:56,170 right through with a spacecraft that's 1167 00:50:59,880 --> 00:50:58,060 right that's right that's right because 1168 00:51:01,050 --> 00:50:59,890 they're in a different dimension yeah 1169 00:51:01,450 --> 00:51:01,060 exactly 1170 00:51:03,099 --> 00:51:01,460 then 1171 00:51:06,490 --> 00:51:03,109 just as physical in their dimensions we 1172 00:51:10,020 --> 00:51:06,500 are in ours only they they the way Anna 1173 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:10,030 Hayes in her book Voyager described it 1174 00:51:15,970 --> 00:51:13,609 she said that that that there is that 1175 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:15,980 there are three prakriti's per per 1176 00:51:22,089 --> 00:51:19,130 dimension and by changing the phase 1177 00:51:25,329 --> 00:51:22,099 relationship of those prakriti's she 1178 00:51:27,550 --> 00:51:25,339 they are able to to move between our 1179 00:51:29,140 --> 00:51:27,560 dimensions they can pass directly 1180 00:51:31,780 --> 00:51:29,150 through our walls like when they want to 1181 00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:31,790 abduct us and pull south they just pass 1182 00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:33,890 a beam down change the change the phase 1183 00:51:38,370 --> 00:51:35,630 relationships of the spins of the 1184 00:51:41,020 --> 00:51:38,380 electrons and it's in our bar dimension 1185 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:41,030 the phase coherence and they just reach 1186 00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:42,170 down and grab somebody and they just 1187 00:51:46,329 --> 00:51:43,849 pull them and they change their their 1188 00:51:48,490 --> 00:51:46,339 relate they they bring them they bring 1189 00:51:50,349 --> 00:51:48,500 their coherence their phase 1190 00:51:52,599 --> 00:51:50,359 relationships into their dimensional 1191 00:51:54,339 --> 00:51:52,609 construct and then they just post right 1192 00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:54,349 up on through throw the ceilings of our 1193 00:52:00,280 --> 00:51:58,190 houses and and you know everyone always 1194 00:52:02,589 --> 00:52:00,290 magic and so it can't be true in the 1195 00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:02,599 sign oh it's all [\h__\h] you know and 1196 00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:04,339 what it is it's just advanced science 1197 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:06,710 it's all it is it's not it's not magic 1198 00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:09,050 it's not no that's not voodoo 1199 00:52:15,220 --> 00:52:13,760 it's but it certainly is reptilian well 1200 00:52:17,260 --> 00:52:15,230 you're not going to believe this but our 1201 00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:17,270 time is almost over we got like 10 1202 00:52:21,820 --> 00:52:19,580 seconds left I can't every time I talk 1203 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:21,830 to you for 25 minutes it goes by like in 1204 00:52:26,170 --> 00:52:24,650 a blink literally a blink of eye I have 1205 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:26,180 this alien lorien I really enjoyed 1206 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:28,130 chatting with you this time but I want 1207 00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,330 to tell you I want to say something 1208 00:52:33,970 --> 00:52:31,760 everything I just told you guys I 1209 00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:33,980 absolutely believe with all my heart oh 1210 00:52:41,550 --> 00:52:39,890 I do too I trust me you guys petronas is 1211 00:52:43,690 --> 00:52:41,560 the real deal and I've had enough 1212 00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:43,700 corroboration to know that everything 1213 00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:45,730 you said to us tonight on the show is 1214 00:52:50,829 --> 00:52:49,130 absolutely real real at least in the 1215 00:52:53,859 --> 00:52:50,839 sense that others have seen some are 1216 00:52:56,050 --> 00:52:53,869 things we still have to be skeptical a 1217 00:52:58,270 --> 00:52:56,060 little bit yeah you got you know you got 1218 00:53:00,300 --> 00:52:58,280 to use your brain and stay you stay on 1219 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:00,310 this planet in some way shape or form so 1220 00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,410 yeah okay sweetheart thank you so much 1221 00:53:07,329 --> 00:53:05,119 and Merry Christmas to you and yours 1222 00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:07,339 must be you because Christmas is already 1223 00:53:12,250 --> 00:53:09,710 past when this is airing I just want to 1224 00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:12,260 say I just want to say God bless each 1225 00:53:15,310 --> 00:53:14,030 and every one of you may you all have a 1226 00:53:18,700 --> 00:53:15,320 Merry Christ 1227 00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:18,710 mass and I wish you and your families to 1228 00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:21,200 be safe well and happy and let all 1229 00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:23,630 beings be free and please please please 1230 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:25,610 pray for our misguided country and help 1231 00:53:28,060 --> 00:53:27,650 them get back into the light Merry 1232 00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:28,070 Christmas 1233 00:53:33,340 --> 00:53:31,310 Thank You Laurie have a great one okay 1234 00:53:37,810 --> 00:53:33,350 folks stick around somebody's coming up 1235 00:53:40,630 --> 00:53:37,820 next we'll be right back welcome back 1236 00:53:44,020 --> 00:53:40,640 everyone to the California MUFON radio 1237 00:53:46,990 --> 00:53:44,030 show holiday special my third guest this 1238 00:53:49,210 --> 00:53:47,000 evening is Melinda Leslie I'm so happy 1239 00:53:51,430 --> 00:53:49,220 that she's with me here today how are 1240 00:53:54,850 --> 00:53:51,440 you doing Melinda Harry's how's your 1241 00:53:57,580 --> 00:53:54,860 holidays going Oh doing so good they're 1242 00:54:02,080 --> 00:53:57,590 going great I'm I'm excited because I'm 1243 00:54:05,860 --> 00:54:02,090 actually about to travel to Denver to be 1244 00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:05,870 with my some of my family my sister and 1245 00:54:11,170 --> 00:54:07,580 brother-in-law and they're grown kids 1246 00:54:13,060 --> 00:54:11,180 they're all in their 30s and and it'll 1247 00:54:14,470 --> 00:54:13,070 be really exciting maybe they have one 1248 00:54:16,900 --> 00:54:14,480 in their 20s but the rest are in their 1249 00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:16,910 30s and so it'll be really exciting but 1250 00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:18,830 she and some of them now have kids and 1251 00:54:21,490 --> 00:54:20,870 yes so I'm really looking forward to 1252 00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:21,500 that 1253 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:24,680 and and and it'll be great you know I 1254 00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:27,530 this year I lost a significant friend 1255 00:54:32,770 --> 00:54:30,050 that you knew as well actually actually 1256 00:54:35,470 --> 00:54:32,780 I've lost about four significant friends 1257 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:35,480 this year and but mainly the one living 1258 00:54:39,970 --> 00:54:38,150 near me I didn't want to be all 1259 00:54:44,980 --> 00:54:39,980 depressed or anything so I'm really glad 1260 00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:44,990 that I'm going to be with family and and 1261 00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:47,300 have a really great you know fun 1262 00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:50,030 Christmas my brother-in-law Mike has 1263 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:52,070 this giant family and they do all these 1264 00:54:56,500 --> 00:54:54,410 big events on Christmas Eve and 1265 00:54:59,770 --> 00:54:56,510 Christmas days so there's multiple 1266 00:55:02,950 --> 00:54:59,780 parties to attend and you know and and 1267 00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:02,960 so yeah so that's yeah it's it's really 1268 00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:05,450 fun it's really traditional and you know 1269 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:08,060 it's it's it's awesome and it'll it'll 1270 00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:10,160 keep me enjoying the holidays and not it 1271 00:55:14,890 --> 00:55:11,990 not at risk of being depressed about 1272 00:55:17,020 --> 00:55:14,900 anything yeah yeah you know when you 1273 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:17,030 lose people it's really tough and and 1274 00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:26,380 Scotty we can say that my friend Scotty 1275 00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:28,500 little star yeah 1276 00:55:32,090 --> 00:55:30,240 her just a little bit I met her a couple 1277 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:32,100 of times we've gone out to dinner 1278 00:55:36,980 --> 00:55:35,130 together and things like that and we we 1279 00:55:40,070 --> 00:55:36,990 actually spent a conference together the 1280 00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:40,080 the farmers Nancy's with us and Scottie 1281 00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:46,800 you and I I'll never forget when we said 1282 00:55:52,340 --> 00:55:48,900 we should tell the audience what we've 1283 00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:52,350 been up to she's yeah go out with you to 1284 00:55:58,070 --> 00:55:54,090 Las Vegas and do a little bit of 1285 00:56:01,880 --> 00:55:58,080 gambling and yeah son I've become your 1286 00:56:04,820 --> 00:56:01,890 new gambling partner yeah what'd he do 1287 00:56:06,980 --> 00:56:04,830 with UFOs and aliens but you guys yeah 1288 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:06,990 Christine I swear to God I was sitting 1289 00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,210 at the table and I could just feel 1290 00:56:16,070 --> 00:56:11,760 Scotty standing right there with us yes 1291 00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:16,080 what to do exactly happiness yeah yeah 1292 00:56:23,390 --> 00:56:18,540 no she was right there with us for sure 1293 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:23,400 you know as a medium you know talking 1294 00:56:28,670 --> 00:56:26,730 dead people on and and I'm in quite a 1295 00:56:30,350 --> 00:56:28,680 bit of contact with her as well some of 1296 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:30,360 the other people that have recently 1297 00:56:34,940 --> 00:56:33,330 passed and everything and and but now 1298 00:56:37,460 --> 00:56:34,950 they're you know and over the holidays 1299 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:37,470 they're definitely with us and and so 1300 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:40,290 yeah it was a it's really fun when we go 1301 00:56:46,810 --> 00:56:41,610 do that and I'm so glad you know she 1302 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:46,820 took this online course play Baccarat 1303 00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:51,210 Rebecca runs prints and and she spent a 1304 00:56:54,590 --> 00:56:52,950 lot of money take this online course and 1305 00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:54,600 then taught me so she'd have someone to 1306 00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:56,670 go with and then when she passed I'm 1307 00:57:00,350 --> 00:56:58,290 like well I know how to do this I need 1308 00:57:02,690 --> 00:57:00,360 someone to go who can go gamble with me 1309 00:57:05,390 --> 00:57:02,700 you know and and I'm not a big gambler I 1310 00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:05,400 mean I never ever was my whole life I'm 1311 00:57:09,980 --> 00:57:08,160 not a slot play or anything but when she 1312 00:57:12,110 --> 00:57:09,990 taught me that to go play with her it's 1313 00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:12,120 really fun and you know what can I say 1314 00:57:32,330 --> 00:57:15,090 loriann we will just let everyone in on 1315 00:57:34,850 --> 00:57:32,340 the fact that we do really good you know 1316 00:57:38,780 --> 00:57:34,860 he paid thousands of dollars for of 1317 00:57:42,289 --> 00:57:38,790 course yeah and and it was to learn 1318 00:57:45,319 --> 00:57:42,299 these progressions that that they 1319 00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:45,329 spent millions of dollars in computer 1320 00:57:48,890 --> 00:57:47,369 time to come up with what were the 1321 00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,900 progressions that most likely ones 1322 00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,640 you're not you're it's totally legal 1323 00:57:54,259 --> 00:57:52,079 there's no you know you're not doing 1324 00:57:55,729 --> 00:57:54,269 anything cheating or whatever but it's 1325 00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:55,739 the progression that if you play them 1326 00:57:59,179 --> 00:57:57,900 consistently they win more often and 1327 00:58:03,640 --> 00:57:59,189 what can I say man 1328 00:58:07,489 --> 00:58:03,650 it works well and and it was something 1329 00:58:10,479 --> 00:58:07,499 paid for and developed by Kevin Trudeau 1330 00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:10,489 who you and I are such friends you know 1331 00:58:19,339 --> 00:58:17,130 Honda is currently type of program I was 1332 00:58:21,140 --> 00:58:19,349 like yeah I was like are you kidding I 1333 00:58:23,089 --> 00:58:21,150 love that man people don't know this 1334 00:58:25,459 --> 00:58:23,099 about me I followed him religiously I 1335 00:58:28,339 --> 00:58:25,469 listened to every radio show live during 1336 00:58:29,269 --> 00:58:28,349 the afternoon I was working and when he 1337 00:58:31,819 --> 00:58:29,279 got thrown in jail 1338 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:31,829 I was absolutely I was depressed for a 1339 00:58:36,169 --> 00:58:34,410 month I swear it was yeah I felt like a 1340 00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:36,179 guy that was really out there I mean 1341 00:58:39,579 --> 00:58:37,380 yeah he is 1342 00:58:44,229 --> 00:58:39,589 you know he's another typical kind of 1343 00:58:46,969 --> 00:58:44,239 you know egomaniac there in the yeah 1344 00:58:49,219 --> 00:58:46,979 yeah yeah he had the right idea about 1345 00:58:51,049 --> 00:58:49,229 stuff he knew our government was after 1346 00:58:55,099 --> 00:58:51,059 us he knew what was going on great 1347 00:58:58,279 --> 00:58:55,109 conspiracy yes yeah yeah absolutely and 1348 00:59:01,099 --> 00:58:58,289 really good teaching people about the 1349 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:01,109 law of attraction and and how to create 1350 00:59:06,140 --> 00:59:03,890 you the life of your dreams and and my 1351 00:59:08,209 --> 00:59:06,150 listening to information from him on 1352 00:59:11,829 --> 00:59:08,219 that changed my life in a really 1353 00:59:14,239 --> 00:59:11,839 positive way to now you know I have this 1354 00:59:16,339 --> 00:59:14,249 extremely successful business you know 1355 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:16,349 and you know can I toot my own horn for 1356 00:59:21,469 --> 00:59:18,809 just a minute I got all excited today 1357 00:59:24,859 --> 00:59:21,479 something caused me I hadn't looked at 1358 00:59:27,489 --> 00:59:24,869 my reviews on TripAdvisor and Yelp for a 1359 00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:27,499 while for my UFO sighting tours and 1360 00:59:32,239 --> 00:59:29,819 probably most your listeners know this I 1361 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:32,249 have UFO sighting tours in March I will 1362 00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:35,249 done it seven years I'm now at vote last 1363 00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:38,880 night was tour number 841 so you know 1364 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:40,380 unfortunately I've had a little bit of 1365 00:59:44,839 --> 00:59:43,410 some weather stuff lately and between 1366 00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:44,849 Thanksgiving and Christmas does slow 1367 00:59:49,339 --> 00:59:47,130 down for me but tourism here in Sedona 1368 00:59:51,019 --> 00:59:49,349 and so you know but in that that 1369 00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:51,029 combined with some cloudy skies so you 1370 00:59:58,860 --> 00:59:56,170 know but I now I have completed 841 1371 01:00:01,800 --> 00:59:58,870 UFO tours only once did my clients feel 1372 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:01,810 they didn't have a sighting so the 840 1373 01:00:05,580 --> 01:00:03,250 tours my clients always thought they had 1374 01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:05,590 sightings I had a client recently say oh 1375 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:06,940 you're gonna be it not you're gonna be 1376 01:00:13,710 --> 01:00:10,810 over a thousand soon and I think my my 1377 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:13,720 head spun around I'm like this what you 1378 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:16,570 know and but that's true like this this 1379 01:00:21,650 --> 01:00:19,570 time well let me see uh you know shortly 1380 01:00:24,780 --> 01:00:21,660 after the first of the year I will past 1381 01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:24,790 900 and by this time next year I'm gonna 1382 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:26,260 be saying I've done a thousand tours 1383 01:00:31,110 --> 01:00:28,090 I'll probably be over a thousand and 1384 01:00:40,860 --> 01:00:31,120 that just makes my head just then I'm 1385 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:40,870 just like you know I appreciate you 1386 01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:43,330 saying that I appreciate you saying that 1387 01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:45,130 but you you know and you and I have 1388 01:00:50,340 --> 01:00:46,720 talked about this I lament sometimes 1389 01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:50,350 that I feel I'm not and it's okay 1390 01:00:54,660 --> 01:00:52,090 because I don't want to be an ego thing 1391 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:54,670 I want to just do good work you know I 1392 01:01:00,840 --> 01:00:57,130 want to present people with sightings 1393 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:00,850 and I want to do my abduction work and I 1394 01:01:03,900 --> 01:01:02,410 want to help abdic T's and I want to do 1395 01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:03,910 the my lab work and get that information 1396 01:01:10,650 --> 01:01:07,660 out there and inform people but I tell 1397 01:01:13,380 --> 01:01:10,660 you it's like you know feeling not 1398 01:01:15,060 --> 01:01:13,390 recognizing ufology I mean yes I am to 1399 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:15,070 some degree but you know I'm not one of 1400 01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:16,570 those speakers asked to do every 1401 01:01:21,290 --> 01:01:18,640 conference and asked to do every TV show 1402 01:01:24,510 --> 01:01:21,300 asked to do ever not even close and 1403 01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:24,520 sometimes I feel like no one knows what 1404 01:01:28,830 --> 01:01:27,130 I'm out here doing you know that's just 1405 01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:28,840 silly in that ridiculous 1406 01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:34,960 you know and I it's a badge of honor in 1407 01:01:39,210 --> 01:01:37,330 this community not to be one of those 1408 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:39,220 speakers I'm telling okay because that 1409 01:01:44,700 --> 01:01:42,090 really means you're doing the right work 1410 01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:44,710 okay there are too many of them out 1411 01:01:49,410 --> 01:01:46,930 there that are not doing anything for 1412 01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:49,420 anybody except for themselves and that's 1413 01:01:53,850 --> 01:01:52,990 nice I feel about that you know yeah I 1414 01:01:56,940 --> 01:01:53,860 know 1415 01:01:59,100 --> 01:01:56,950 I cannot handle it and I'm really that 1416 01:02:02,520 --> 01:01:59,110 is my big bandwagon that is my mission 1417 01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:02,530 these days is to expose all the people 1418 01:02:07,170 --> 01:02:04,510 in ufology that really aren't doing 1419 01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:07,180 anything to advance it you know you know 1420 01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:08,610 are you're one of the 1421 01:02:13,700 --> 01:02:11,610 you're one of the most thorough most 1422 01:02:16,220 --> 01:02:13,710 amazing researchers I've ever met in my 1423 01:02:18,260 --> 01:02:16,230 entire no you're lovely thank you 1424 01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:18,270 I seriously Melinda the day I met you I 1425 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:20,250 said to you I'm gonna get you out there 1426 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:21,930 and speaking at all my conferences 1427 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:23,970 hopefully so well I appreciate that and 1428 01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:25,650 I appreciate that you've done that you 1429 01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,400 know you you you more than anybody as 1430 01:02:34,220 --> 01:02:31,680 far as my lecture doing my research out 1431 01:02:36,830 --> 01:02:34,230 there provided me a platform and I 1432 01:02:39,410 --> 01:02:36,840 really so appreciate you guys when we go 1433 01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:39,420 out to eat we never agree on where to go 1434 01:02:44,090 --> 01:02:42,450 burgers heats that tacos it is the one 1435 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:44,100 thing we do agree on is we all want 1436 01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:46,290 unlimited high-speed data that's why we 1437 01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:49,350 switch to metro pcs stop by metro pcs 1438 01:02:53,390 --> 01:02:51,090 with the whole family and get four lines 1439 01:02:56,030 --> 01:02:53,400 with unlimited LTE data for just $100 1440 01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:56,040 period much our pcs wireless figured out 1441 01:02:58,430 --> 01:02:57,330 covers not available in some areas 1442 01:02:59,360 --> 01:02:58,440 offers for airport in a number not 1443 01:03:00,530 --> 01:02:59,370 currently active on t-mobile network 1444 01:03:01,790 --> 01:03:00,540 during congestion the fraction of 1445 01:03:03,170 --> 01:03:01,800 customers used more than 35 gigs per 1446 01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:03,180 month may notice reduce beats video 1447 01:03:06,620 --> 01:03:04,920 streams depth 240p no tethering C store 1448 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:06,630 for details in terms and conditions you 1449 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:08,250 know I want all your listeners to know 1450 01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:11,090 you know Lorien puts on all these 1451 01:03:16,850 --> 01:03:14,760 amazing conferences UFO conferences or 1452 01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:16,860 JFK conferences or mind-control 1453 01:03:22,700 --> 01:03:19,740 conferences we've had an amazing 1454 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:22,710 experience doing a TV show together that 1455 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:25,650 our shows of yet to air but they will 1456 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:29,450 we've got I think 14 or 16 in the fan 1457 01:03:36,110 --> 01:03:32,850 okay I'm finishing up the credits and I 1458 01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:36,120 think we're launching January 1st that 1459 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:38,010 would be so awesome you guys we worked 1460 01:03:44,590 --> 01:03:41,210 really hard and we've had an amazing 1461 01:03:46,670 --> 01:03:44,600 guest you know yeah we've had amazing 1462 01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:46,680 amazing guest and I want to give our 1463 01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:50,160 guests credit and you know and even 1464 01:03:53,330 --> 01:03:51,630 though some of them were taped a year 1465 01:03:55,340 --> 01:03:53,340 ago their information they're gonna 1466 01:03:57,710 --> 01:03:55,350 provide is absolutely still current and 1467 01:03:59,150 --> 01:03:57,720 and fantastic but no one will know and I 1468 01:04:00,590 --> 01:03:59,160 shouldn't say we take to me year ago cuz 1469 01:04:03,530 --> 01:04:00,600 no one will know watching these program 1470 01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:03,540 but they were done back then you know at 1471 01:04:06,020 --> 01:04:05,010 all as you suffer you know those of you 1472 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:06,030 who followed the fact that we're even 1473 01:04:09,860 --> 01:04:08,250 doing this but otherwise you know people 1474 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:09,870 won't know they're timeless and they're 1475 01:04:14,150 --> 01:04:11,610 so good or guests and they're all 1476 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:14,160 recognized you know well-known people in 1477 01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:17,250 the field and some of them we got into 1478 01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:20,130 you know another sight of them that may 1479 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:22,680 be you know like a 1480 01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:24,690 aspect to them that they don't talk 1481 01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:27,750 about or that isn't known and so you're 1482 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:29,190 gonna see a different side even though 1483 01:04:32,390 --> 01:04:30,810 they're familiar people you're gonna 1484 01:04:35,900 --> 01:04:32,400 hear something from them you've not 1485 01:04:38,060 --> 01:04:35,910 heard before and and and and they were 1486 01:04:40,310 --> 01:04:38,070 really great and I'm so excited that 1487 01:04:42,110 --> 01:04:40,320 those are gonna start airing and I'm 1488 01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:42,120 just I've you know we've always wanted 1489 01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:44,520 them to but there's been a variety of 1490 01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:49,470 reasons on the production in and and in 1491 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:51,210 our producer and its companies and stuff 1492 01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:53,250 so so finally finally it's gonna come 1493 01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:55,440 out night yeah the bottom line to all 1494 01:05:01,640 --> 01:04:57,480 this is it cost money folks to put all 1495 01:05:03,620 --> 01:05:01,650 this stuff together Oh amen yeah every 1496 01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,630 time we turned around it's another 500 1497 01:05:07,700 --> 01:05:05,760 it's another 400 another 300 you know 1498 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:07,710 and and it's just the way it is and 1499 01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,450 we've all and we need people to know 1500 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:12,000 this Melinda we have yeah yeah paid our 1501 01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:14,370 own way to the studio yeah amen I was 1502 01:05:18,830 --> 01:05:17,220 just gonna say that I I want I want 1503 01:05:21,530 --> 01:05:18,840 people to know when they start seeing 1504 01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:21,540 these and we've got is it 14 or 16 in 1505 01:05:28,310 --> 01:05:25,260 the can 14 but 14 okay but I think only 1506 01:05:30,410 --> 01:05:28,320 14 are gonna air okay okay there's a 1507 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:30,420 couple reasons why two of them may not 1508 01:05:36,110 --> 01:05:33,930 air but what we are going to air that 1509 01:05:38,750 --> 01:05:36,120 people are gonna be surprised about is I 1510 01:05:41,330 --> 01:05:38,760 I have insisted that Sean David Morton 1511 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:41,340 be aired I think it's very and and I'm 1512 01:05:45,410 --> 01:05:43,290 okay with that because he did a really 1513 01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:45,420 good show with us I know out there 1514 01:05:50,330 --> 01:05:47,490 people are gonna go what oh my god you 1515 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:50,340 know he went folks he is in jail yes you 1516 01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:54,930 know and and he very likely defrauded 1517 01:05:59,840 --> 01:05:57,570 the the government over some money but 1518 01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,850 aside from that his research still 1519 01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:02,160 stands and and I don't want people 1520 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:06,350 disparaging his contribution in the past 1521 01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:09,450 personality aside ego aside and and 1522 01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:12,090 maybe his financial dealings aside okay 1523 01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:15,210 I'm not gonna you know I agree with 1524 01:06:19,220 --> 01:06:17,160 people there's problems there sure but 1525 01:06:21,590 --> 01:06:19,230 as a researcher and when he was good 1526 01:06:23,900 --> 01:06:21,600 when he was good he was good and at 1527 01:06:26,330 --> 01:06:23,910 times and I and I think it's a tribute 1528 01:06:29,450 --> 01:06:26,340 to the fact that he contributed to this 1529 01:06:30,950 --> 01:06:29,460 community for years and and I think you 1530 01:06:33,110 --> 01:06:30,960 know we've agreed everyone in the 1531 01:06:34,610 --> 01:06:33,120 production end of the show has agreed as 1532 01:06:36,060 --> 01:06:34,620 long as we have like a disclaimer in the 1533 01:06:37,770 --> 01:06:36,070 beginning in the end you know 1534 01:06:40,380 --> 01:06:37,780 so people understand where we're coming 1535 01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:40,390 from but to say this is shows his 1536 01:06:44,310 --> 01:06:42,640 contribution as research and it and I 1537 01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:44,320 think we're all willing to stand up and 1538 01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:46,330 if we catch blackboard I think if anyone 1539 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:48,990 watches the show it's going to be a 1540 01:06:54,150 --> 01:06:52,450 tribute to the Shawn that was that we 1541 01:06:56,670 --> 01:06:54,160 can still appreciate oh absolutely 1542 01:06:59,850 --> 01:06:56,680 because he was on his best best behavior 1543 01:07:01,620 --> 01:06:59,860 with us that oh yeah we got into areas 1544 01:07:05,220 --> 01:07:01,630 that he hadn't talked about for quite 1545 01:07:08,010 --> 01:07:05,230 some time and told us some great 1546 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:08,020 personal stories and that's great yeah 1547 01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:10,330 yeah yeah absolutely absolutely 1548 01:07:15,780 --> 01:07:13,090 so yeah it's it's good and it's an 1549 01:07:18,330 --> 01:07:15,790 interview I stand behind and I'm proud 1550 01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:18,340 of ya okay so we acknowledge the 1551 01:07:23,550 --> 01:07:20,980 controversy in a you know in a 1552 01:07:25,020 --> 01:07:23,560 disclaimer but but the interview I think 1553 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:25,030 when people watch it they're gonna 1554 01:07:29,310 --> 01:07:26,890 they're gonna have an appreciation for 1555 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:29,320 at least about that part of him would 1556 01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:33,730 you which is great and he came up and 1557 01:07:38,130 --> 01:07:36,370 did my time travel conference and I 1558 01:07:39,750 --> 01:07:38,140 swear to God Melinda he knocked it out 1559 01:07:41,820 --> 01:07:39,760 of the park it was one of the best 1560 01:07:44,780 --> 01:07:41,830 presentations he's ever made on time 1561 01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:44,790 travel and you know do you remember in 1562 01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:47,440 2014 at the Gold Coast when we did the 1563 01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:50,530 last mind-control summit that recording 1564 01:07:58,580 --> 01:07:53,830 he made for us about ghost Walker do you 1565 01:08:01,620 --> 01:07:58,590 remember that yeah oh yeah yeah yeah 1566 01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:01,630 interview is almost an hour of pure Sean 1567 01:08:07,830 --> 01:08:04,690 you know yeah the story that happened 1568 01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:07,840 with that super soldier from area 51 I 1569 01:08:12,450 --> 01:08:09,850 mean that would that is the most wild 1570 01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:12,460 story out there and hardly you people 1571 01:08:17,999 --> 01:08:15,190 know about it so you know I think I'm 1572 01:08:20,660 --> 01:08:18,009 gonna throw that interview out there is 1573 01:08:24,749 --> 01:08:20,670 a fundraiser for the next to mine you 1574 01:08:27,599 --> 01:08:24,759 know yeah yeah oh absolutely 1575 01:08:29,220 --> 01:08:27,609 absolutely you know I and and and it's 1576 01:08:30,360 --> 01:08:29,230 like don't throw the baby out with the 1577 01:08:34,140 --> 01:08:30,370 bathwater 1578 01:08:36,240 --> 01:08:34,150 you know because because there's there's 1579 01:08:39,180 --> 01:08:36,250 stuff that was good yeah yes absolutely 1580 01:08:41,519 --> 01:08:39,190 next question for you here is where do 1581 01:08:43,890 --> 01:08:41,529 you think UF ology is going right now I 1582 01:08:46,650 --> 01:08:43,900 mean what's your summation of it up to 1583 01:08:49,649 --> 01:08:46,660 the end of 2017 well where do you think 1584 01:08:52,829 --> 01:08:49,659 we're going in 2018 well we're ending 1585 01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:52,839 on a bang and and I'll tell you why and 1586 01:08:58,079 --> 01:08:56,229 you know unless you're a researchers or 1587 01:09:02,459 --> 01:08:58,089 the the program I just did a couple 1588 01:09:06,749 --> 01:09:02,469 weeks ago with you you know that that 1589 01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:06,759 it's ending on a on a banging in an 1590 01:09:13,589 --> 01:09:10,209 interesting way that ufology is all the 1591 01:09:15,589 --> 01:09:13,599 sudden kind of perked up because now you 1592 01:09:22,890 --> 01:09:15,599 know granted controversial 1593 01:09:26,629 --> 01:09:22,900 granted maybe not that productive but 1594 01:09:31,140 --> 01:09:26,639 this whole to the Stars Academy slash 1595 01:09:33,419 --> 01:09:31,150 rock star DeLong slash little bits and 1596 01:09:36,659 --> 01:09:33,429 pieces of disclosure than the Nimitz you 1597 01:09:38,789 --> 01:09:36,669 know footage that you know and so right 1598 01:09:40,559 --> 01:09:38,799 now there's some interesting things just 1599 01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:40,569 like I said the end of the year on a 1600 01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:43,089 bang with all of a sudden a couple of 1601 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:46,329 weeks of flurry and and it's going to be 1602 01:09:52,409 --> 01:09:48,130 interesting to see where this goes after 1603 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:52,419 the first of the year because the media 1604 01:09:56,189 --> 01:09:54,130 jumped on this I think you followed you 1605 01:09:58,469 --> 01:09:56,199 could care less really you know in a 1606 01:10:00,359 --> 01:09:58,479 sense mainstream you followed you 1607 01:10:03,029 --> 01:10:00,369 probably aunt you know that's not really 1608 01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:03,039 disclosure really but all of a sudden 1609 01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:04,840 there's a rush in the last couple of 1610 01:10:13,529 --> 01:10:09,070 days or week of media activity regarding 1611 01:10:17,219 --> 01:10:13,539 this and and you guys it's a big giant 1612 01:10:20,699 --> 01:10:17,229 disclosure with a capital D no but when 1613 01:10:23,009 --> 01:10:20,709 you have what is it Henry Reid asked 1614 01:10:26,699 --> 01:10:23,019 them to investigate I forget whatever 1615 01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:26,709 you know I admit I need to read up on it 1616 01:10:31,409 --> 01:10:28,900 more it's just in the last couple of 1617 01:10:33,239 --> 01:10:31,419 days all of a sudden uh you know on the 1618 01:10:35,489 --> 01:10:33,249 internet it's gone crazy and I'm like 1619 01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:35,499 well I think I've got my work cut out 1620 01:10:40,259 --> 01:10:37,150 for me as I get on the plane for these 1621 01:10:41,279 --> 01:10:40,269 whites is to do some if I can have my 1622 01:10:43,529 --> 01:10:41,289 phone activists 1623 01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:43,539 is to read up on some of this stuff and 1624 01:10:50,609 --> 01:10:45,489 maybe have an earpiece and listen to 1625 01:10:55,109 --> 01:10:50,619 some stuff because yesterday that video 1626 01:11:01,139 --> 01:10:55,119 from the jet fighter yeah that's one 1627 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:01,149 thing yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that 1628 01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:03,610 yes that's that's what I'm trying to 1629 01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:05,260 so I'm trying that and you know just 1630 01:11:13,620 --> 01:11:08,290 sizing I mean I look at it and I go it's 1631 01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:13,630 good yes yes but but the thing is again 1632 01:11:18,209 --> 01:11:15,369 it's not about ufology you guys 1633 01:11:21,540 --> 01:11:18,219 sometimes step back and go what is this 1634 01:11:23,820 --> 01:11:21,550 too mainstream and it's a little blip on 1635 01:11:25,649 --> 01:11:23,830 the radar but it is putting it out there 1636 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:25,659 in the mainstream I mean the New York 1637 01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:29,050 Times did a significant article and then 1638 01:11:31,859 --> 01:11:30,489 when you read it on there you know 1639 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:31,869 website and everything there's a link 1640 01:11:37,020 --> 01:11:33,850 and you can actually watch this video 1641 01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:37,030 and then the Washington Post did an 1642 01:11:41,250 --> 01:11:39,460 article you know and yeah The Huffington 1643 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:41,260 Post does stuff but we've had there 1644 01:11:45,899 --> 01:11:43,210 there been in our camp for a long time 1645 01:11:49,379 --> 01:11:45,909 now but to have the New York Times The 1646 01:11:51,419 --> 01:11:49,389 Washington Post you know you guys don't 1647 01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:51,429 underestimate now no one reads the media 1648 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:52,719 anymore and yeah that's a problem 1649 01:11:56,939 --> 01:11:55,090 because John Q public is you know unless 1650 01:11:59,340 --> 01:11:56,949 it's on Fox News every night they're not 1651 01:12:01,800 --> 01:11:59,350 going to get it but the thing is it is 1652 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:01,810 being picked up now and on the news and 1653 01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:04,810 whatnot and I've had a few clients for 1654 01:12:09,180 --> 01:12:07,540 my tour comment on it you know so it's 1655 01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:09,190 like you guys this is this is getting 1656 01:12:13,919 --> 01:12:11,320 out there it's a small blip but that's 1657 01:12:16,050 --> 01:12:13,929 why I said it'll be interesting to see 1658 01:12:19,050 --> 01:12:16,060 where after the first and year this goes 1659 01:12:20,430 --> 01:12:19,060 is it build and there's a momentum if it 1660 01:12:22,919 --> 01:12:20,440 creates more stories 1661 01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:22,929 if net if New York Times and Washington 1662 01:12:28,109 --> 01:12:25,960 Post do follow ups you know we'll see if 1663 01:12:31,169 --> 01:12:28,119 it makes television we'll see you know 1664 01:12:33,629 --> 01:12:31,179 but but it's a time setting we're saying 1665 01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:33,639 we're ending on a little bit of a high 1666 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:36,250 note in ufology as far as for the year 1667 01:12:41,609 --> 01:12:39,130 and I'm very very pleased that I'm 1668 01:12:44,129 --> 01:12:41,619 sharing some research now with Grant 1669 01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:44,139 Cameron now grant Cameron who's a friend 1670 01:12:49,050 --> 01:12:47,290 of yours and mine he's high on ufology 1671 01:12:52,109 --> 01:12:49,060 radar right now he's being asked to do 1672 01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:52,119 every radio program every conference and 1673 01:12:59,550 --> 01:12:55,510 it's because he's the one person who's 1674 01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,560 bothered to follow this story and look 1675 01:13:04,500 --> 01:13:01,360 at it in the inside and do background 1676 01:13:08,100 --> 01:13:04,510 research on who these guys are with the 1677 01:13:11,729 --> 01:13:08,110 to the Stars Academy and it's specific 1678 01:13:14,310 --> 01:13:11,739 links to what it's been previously known 1679 01:13:17,580 --> 01:13:14,320 in ufology as the air very and or the 1680 01:13:20,339 --> 01:13:17,590 working group which myself and fellow 1681 01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:20,349 research associate Randi coping and I 1682 01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:23,110 have been doing deep research for 28 1683 01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,830 years so Randi and I put our heads 1684 01:13:31,140 --> 01:13:28,719 together and said look grants on to this 1685 01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:31,150 we need to cherish stuff with him and at 1686 01:13:36,030 --> 01:13:33,670 the Star Wars conference with pal eros 1687 01:13:37,350 --> 01:13:36,040 grant and I had many many meetings of 1688 01:13:41,300 --> 01:13:37,360 which you were present for most of them 1689 01:13:44,820 --> 01:13:41,310 and conversations where we were able to 1690 01:13:46,500 --> 01:13:44,830 join our research together and I was 1691 01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:46,510 able to say look you've got you know you 1692 01:13:52,620 --> 01:13:49,270 got the last five years nailed down but 1693 01:13:55,140 --> 01:13:52,630 I've got a previous you know 28 years or 1694 01:13:58,410 --> 01:13:55,150 25 years let's say 25 previous to that 1695 01:14:01,109 --> 01:13:58,420 of information about our research into 1696 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:01,119 this group and their connection and so 1697 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:03,610 so I'm so thrilled to be working with 1698 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:05,650 Grant and sharing information with him 1699 01:14:12,750 --> 01:14:10,449 and and and and so that's and because of 1700 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:12,760 his current you know what's going on 1701 01:14:17,010 --> 01:14:14,710 ufology right now well this whole story 1702 01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:17,020 in and this whole story kind of the 1703 01:14:19,919 --> 01:14:18,760 researcher that everyone's their go-to 1704 01:14:24,750 --> 01:14:19,929 guy on it right now 1705 01:14:26,459 --> 01:14:24,760 is grant Cameron so so I I think we're 1706 01:14:27,959 --> 01:14:26,469 going to do much more activity I look 1707 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:27,969 forward to the beginning and next year 1708 01:14:31,770 --> 01:14:29,770 and the fact that once we get through 1709 01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:31,780 the holidays I think him and I are going 1710 01:14:36,149 --> 01:14:34,150 to be working closely a lot more we're 1711 01:14:39,839 --> 01:14:36,159 going to be both speaking on this 1712 01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:39,849 subject together and separately for you 1713 01:14:45,419 --> 01:14:43,360 at UFO Con this year yeah it's gonna be 1714 01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:45,429 very interesting that you have folk on 1715 01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:47,170 this year because by the time it happens 1716 01:14:51,209 --> 01:14:50,050 at the end of March a lot of this is 1717 01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:51,219 gonna play out 1718 01:14:55,530 --> 01:14:53,320 and you guys are you might even be doing 1719 01:14:56,879 --> 01:14:55,540 just a historical review of everything 1720 01:14:58,740 --> 01:14:56,889 that's happened in the last year with 1721 01:15:01,050 --> 01:14:58,750 the long and the aviary and the working 1722 01:15:03,870 --> 01:15:01,060 group and all the way up to like March 1723 01:15:05,820 --> 01:15:03,880 of 2018 and who knows what they they 1724 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:05,830 might have accomplished by then in the 1725 01:15:10,020 --> 01:15:08,650 mainstream mean yeah yes I mean he's got 1726 01:15:12,510 --> 01:15:10,030 he could do a full two-hour presentation 1727 01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:12,520 just up to the minute with what's going 1728 01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:15,340 on now through the end of the year that 1729 01:15:21,419 --> 01:15:18,369 alone like you said what's gonna happen 1730 01:15:24,359 --> 01:15:21,429 between now and March and then I'm gonna 1731 01:15:26,490 --> 01:15:24,369 give a background presentation on the 1732 01:15:28,620 --> 01:15:26,500 history the aviary the history of the 1733 01:15:30,330 --> 01:15:28,630 working group their involvement and that 1734 01:15:32,399 --> 01:15:30,340 you guys this isn't like 1735 01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:32,409 new thing these guys are doing about 1736 01:15:38,189 --> 01:15:34,449 every couple of years they surface with 1737 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:38,199 some big new in a piece of involvement 1738 01:15:44,580 --> 01:15:41,320 in ufology and they have a pattern of 1739 01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,590 this so this is just the current phase 1740 01:15:48,839 --> 01:15:46,480 of their pattern and it all gets back to 1741 01:15:51,540 --> 01:15:48,849 as I said earlier not disclosure with a 1742 01:15:53,580 --> 01:15:51,550 capital D but disclosure with a little B 1743 01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:53,590 or what you followed you will call soft 1744 01:15:59,760 --> 01:15:57,340 disclosure that this is is this the big 1745 01:16:04,250 --> 01:15:59,770 end game no but it's pushing that ball 1746 01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:04,260 further down the field towards 1747 01:16:09,570 --> 01:16:07,810 disclosure being possible and do I need 1748 01:16:11,160 --> 01:16:09,580 is it going to happen this year no could 1749 01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:11,170 it happen in 10 or 20 years you guys I 1750 01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:13,840 don't know I you know a couple years ago 1751 01:16:18,270 --> 01:16:16,540 I would say 20 years away you know but 1752 01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:18,280 now I'm going wait a second this is 1753 01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:20,050 pushing that ball further down the field 1754 01:16:25,890 --> 01:16:23,409 and we'll see what happens 1755 01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:25,900 could it mean nothing and it will fizzle 1756 01:16:31,919 --> 01:16:29,590 out yeah highly likely you know or it 1757 01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:31,929 could be that this is the start of 1758 01:16:36,570 --> 01:16:34,270 something and that these guys are going 1759 01:16:41,220 --> 01:16:36,580 for media attention and it starts to 1760 01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:41,230 change the tide of public opinion you 1761 01:16:47,729 --> 01:16:44,860 know and and I and again everyone who 1762 01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:47,739 follows the whole disclosure subject 1763 01:16:52,260 --> 01:16:50,320 realizes it's been on like a you know 1764 01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:52,270 it'd be called the forty year plan 40 or 1765 01:16:58,410 --> 01:16:55,570 50 year plan to do this but all the 1766 01:17:02,160 --> 01:16:58,420 sudden there seems to be a few things 1767 01:17:03,810 --> 01:17:02,170 pushing that ball down the field or if 1768 01:17:06,689 --> 01:17:03,820 you think of like a disclosure time 1769 01:17:08,939 --> 01:17:06,699 clock you know if we were 5 minutes 1770 01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,949 before midnight now or 3 minutes before 1771 01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:10,960 midnight you know so all of a sudden 1772 01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:14,170 something something has changed and when 1773 01:17:18,930 --> 01:17:15,730 you start to get major media 1774 01:17:20,879 --> 01:17:18,940 publications writing more serious 1775 01:17:22,620 --> 01:17:20,889 articles now I read The Times I didn't 1776 01:17:24,209 --> 01:17:22,630 read it in great detail but I did go 1777 01:17:25,979 --> 01:17:24,219 through it quickly and I need to spend 1778 01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:25,989 some time in really poor overt but I 1779 01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:28,840 think it's just kind of soft balling it 1780 01:17:34,109 --> 01:17:31,810 yeah but the fact that they're they're 1781 01:17:35,850 --> 01:17:34,119 not it's not ridicule you know it's 1782 01:17:38,100 --> 01:17:35,860 softball but it's not ready to you guys 1783 01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:38,110 that's a change and that's a change in 1784 01:17:42,209 --> 01:17:40,570 the opinion in the media you know and 1785 01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,219 it's about time you know I'm out there 1786 01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:44,320 on these tours showing people 1787 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:45,760 sightings every night and like i said 1788 01:17:49,589 --> 01:17:47,770 you know i kind of pat myself on the 1789 01:17:50,490 --> 01:17:49,599 back or toot my own horn is I looked on 1790 01:17:52,379 --> 01:17:50,500 TripAdvisor 1791 01:17:54,899 --> 01:17:52,389 and when you go under Center for the New 1792 01:17:56,100 --> 01:17:54,909 Age so I'm on TripAdvisor because I do 1793 01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:56,110 my tourists through the Center for New 1794 01:17:58,680 --> 01:17:57,520 Age so I'm I don't have a separate 1795 01:18:00,450 --> 01:17:58,690 listing I'm on there with them but if 1796 01:18:02,490 --> 01:18:00,460 you go Center for the New Age and then 1797 01:18:04,740 --> 01:18:02,500 in their little search engine you put in 1798 01:18:07,379 --> 01:18:04,750 UFO in the little you know go 1799 01:18:08,939 --> 01:18:07,389 TripAdvisor Center for New Age UFO in 1800 01:18:11,459 --> 01:18:08,949 their search engine so it brings up just 1801 01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:11,469 all the reviews that mention UFO I have 1802 01:18:20,879 --> 01:18:18,070 53 5 star reviews on Trip Advisor yeah 1803 01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:20,889 yeah and so you know and you guys have 1804 01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:24,880 earned everyone you know clients you 1805 01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:27,730 know and I work hard on my tours but you 1806 01:18:31,530 --> 01:18:29,230 know I never dreamt in a million years 1807 01:18:33,330 --> 01:18:31,540 we'd have as many sightings as we do but 1808 01:18:35,010 --> 01:18:33,340 the reason I kind of does tailed into 1809 01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:35,020 bringing this up again was just to say 1810 01:18:46,470 --> 01:18:44,860 I'm out there showing people sighting ok 1811 01:18:49,229 --> 01:18:46,480 well I'm just saying you know having 1812 01:18:50,580 --> 01:18:49,239 sightings every night so my clients go 1813 01:18:52,410 --> 01:18:50,590 out there and they they've had 1814 01:18:55,169 --> 01:18:52,420 disclosure they're like oh my god this 1815 01:18:58,770 --> 01:18:55,179 is real you know yeah and but but I 1816 01:19:00,379 --> 01:18:58,780 still want because they tell me they 1817 01:19:03,540 --> 01:19:00,389 have friends they have family members 1818 01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:03,550 you know close family and siblings 1819 01:19:08,850 --> 01:19:06,489 whatnot kids and and also co-workers and 1820 01:19:10,979 --> 01:19:08,860 stuff who they're even afraid to mention 1821 01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:10,989 that they went out on a UFO tour you 1822 01:19:16,379 --> 01:19:13,810 know and so when they when those people 1823 01:19:18,720 --> 01:19:16,389 who have had sightings feel like they're 1824 01:19:20,970 --> 01:19:18,730 vindicated and they can talk about it 1825 01:19:23,550 --> 01:19:20,980 now when all the whistleblowers I mean 1826 01:19:25,709 --> 01:19:23,560 you start to get massive media attention 1827 01:19:27,899 --> 01:19:25,719 and those people are going to be those 1828 01:19:30,810 --> 01:19:27,909 massive media sources are going to be 1829 01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,820 looking for credible witnesses they're 1830 01:19:33,959 --> 01:19:32,800 gonna go for the whistleblowers you know 1831 01:19:37,770 --> 01:19:33,969 and and so I think 1832 01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:37,780 ufology is poised to really do some 1833 01:19:43,260 --> 01:19:40,449 interesting things in the year to come 1834 01:19:45,089 --> 01:19:43,270 I agree with you on that one well happy 1835 01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,099 holidays my friend and I will talk to 1836 01:19:49,649 --> 01:19:47,440 you very soon and thank you for being on 1837 01:19:53,879 --> 01:19:49,659 the holiday special this year it was 1838 01:19:54,450 --> 01:19:53,889 great fun and we'll be in touch ok ok 1839 01:19:57,939 --> 01:19:54,460 thank you 1840 01:20:01,120 --> 01:19:57,949 Lorien Merry Christmas everybody ok 1841 01:20:03,189 --> 01:20:01,130 Thanks well folks we'll be back in just 1842 01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:03,199 a few minutes with our next guests so 1843 01:20:11,259 --> 01:20:08,329 stick around welcome back everyone to 1844 01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,269 the California MUFON radio show holidays 1845 01:20:16,330 --> 01:20:13,760 special my final guest of the night is 1846 01:20:18,310 --> 01:20:16,340 grant Cameron I am so happy you guys are 1847 01:20:20,529 --> 01:20:18,320 all with me here on this holiday night 1848 01:20:22,330 --> 01:20:20,539 and I hope you had a great Christmas 1849 01:20:24,189 --> 01:20:22,340 because you know this is being played a 1850 01:20:27,219 --> 01:20:24,199 couple days after Christmas we're going 1851 01:20:29,469 --> 01:20:27,229 into the New Year's and this is what my 1852 01:20:32,140 --> 01:20:29,479 next guest is really gonna be blowing 1853 01:20:34,989 --> 01:20:32,150 you guys away because you fo cons coming 1854 01:20:37,870 --> 01:20:34,999 up and we've got some amazing history of 1855 01:20:39,969 --> 01:20:37,880 the black op so the whole government you 1856 01:20:42,819 --> 01:20:39,979 know ball of wax that's been going on to 1857 01:20:46,149 --> 01:20:42,829 cover up for the last 30 40 50 years 1858 01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:46,159 right grant right you got it yeah it's 1859 01:20:50,350 --> 01:20:48,110 gonna be wild I just hope you guys could 1860 01:20:53,199 --> 01:20:50,360 all make it to UFO Con now grant and I 1861 01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:53,209 were just talking about how as of the 1862 01:20:58,449 --> 01:20:56,570 recording of this show that you know 1863 01:21:00,640 --> 01:20:58,459 things are unfolding really fast with 1864 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:00,650 the whole Tom DeLonge thing and and the 1865 01:21:04,390 --> 01:21:02,570 working group in the aviary and all the 1866 01:21:07,330 --> 01:21:04,400 guys behind everything all these years 1867 01:21:10,120 --> 01:21:07,340 and the latest development as of today I 1868 01:21:12,729 --> 01:21:10,130 think is the fact that Bigelow has been 1869 01:21:17,729 --> 01:21:12,739 involved quite a bit is that correct and 1870 01:21:22,180 --> 01:21:19,989 Bigelow is at the core of the story 1871 01:21:23,589 --> 01:21:22,190 if you don't understand Bigelow you've 1872 01:21:25,689 --> 01:21:23,599 missed the story because that is the 1873 01:21:26,109 --> 01:21:25,699 story it's not Tom DeLonge it's Bob 1874 01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:26,119 Bigelow 1875 01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:28,369 you know what grant you're not gonna 1876 01:21:34,810 --> 01:21:31,249 believe this I knew this five years ago 1877 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:34,820 I've been sitting on it because I have 1878 01:21:39,009 --> 01:21:36,530 people that have worked at Bigelow that 1879 01:21:40,989 --> 01:21:39,019 have told me you know basically you have 1880 01:21:43,330 --> 01:21:40,999 no idea what's going on Laureen and I 1881 01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:43,340 can't tell you and when they say that to 1882 01:21:49,299 --> 01:21:46,880 me about Bob Bigelow that speaks volumes 1883 01:21:50,770 --> 01:21:49,309 you know I knew that he was behind 1884 01:21:52,930 --> 01:21:50,780 everything and I kept telling people 1885 01:21:54,189 --> 01:21:52,940 that for like four or five years ago I 1886 01:21:55,509 --> 01:21:54,199 would say you know you can't really I'd 1887 01:21:57,939 --> 01:21:55,519 be checking the Bigelow I think he's 1888 01:22:00,279 --> 01:21:57,949 bigger fish in this pond than people 1889 01:22:03,609 --> 01:22:00,289 think I think he hides under the rocks 1890 01:22:05,919 --> 01:22:03,619 and he's probably a sturgeon and he eat 1891 01:22:10,330 --> 01:22:05,929 is the guy who pulled off the biggest 1892 01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:10,340 coup in history he's the guy who talked 1893 01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:12,050 to 1894 01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:22,380 the majority leader of the Democratic 1895 01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:28,070 Senate eed was into UFOs Reid went to 1896 01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:30,510 Bigelow they they come up with this sort 1897 01:22:36,230 --> 01:22:33,840 of idea to get some money then Reid went 1898 01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:36,240 to Ted Stevens who had had a UFO 1899 01:22:40,940 --> 01:22:38,850 sighting in the Army Air Force during 1900 01:22:43,070 --> 01:22:40,950 World War two and Stevens was on board 1901 01:22:45,890 --> 01:22:43,080 then they went to John Glenn John Glenn 1902 01:22:48,230 --> 01:22:45,900 was on board and then they went to in a 1903 01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:48,240 way who was the made the famous speech 1904 01:22:52,130 --> 01:22:50,130 about the secret government and the 1905 01:22:54,230 --> 01:22:52,140 secret Air Force and all that sort of 1906 01:22:57,380 --> 01:22:54,240 stuff he so he isn't either why and 1907 01:23:00,730 --> 01:22:57,390 represent yeah yeah and he yeah I think 1908 01:23:04,220 --> 01:23:00,740 Stevens is also dead or no Glenn is dead 1909 01:23:06,650 --> 01:23:04,230 four guys went and they got this money 1910 01:23:09,410 --> 01:23:06,660 put out and twenty two million dollars 1911 01:23:10,910 --> 01:23:09,420 was spent and Bob Bigelow was the 1912 01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:10,920 contractor because that's how it works 1913 01:23:15,530 --> 01:23:13,530 in in the government is if you want to 1914 01:23:17,150 --> 01:23:15,540 keep it away from the people you put it 1915 01:23:19,790 --> 01:23:17,160 in a private contractor then you know 1916 01:23:21,890 --> 01:23:19,800 the FOI a problems and so Bigelow was in 1917 01:23:24,650 --> 01:23:21,900 charge it started in 2007 and George 1918 01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:24,660 Knapp has now confirmed that he knew 1919 01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:27,690 about it took seven as it started and so 1920 01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:29,400 for ten years and this is where it comes 1921 01:23:33,740 --> 01:23:30,630 down you start putting all the pieces 1922 01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:33,750 together Bob Bigelow goes to MUFON and 1923 01:23:42,380 --> 01:23:37,970 people sign and even Alejandro Rojas 1924 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:42,390 talked about this on the coast to coast 1925 01:23:46,820 --> 01:23:44,730 the other night and said that they all 1926 01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:46,830 do MUFON people when Bigelow offered all 1927 01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:48,690 the money Bigelow stated quite clearly 1928 01:23:53,810 --> 01:23:52,080 it was not his money and people were in 1929 01:23:57,590 --> 01:23:53,820 order to be part of this had to sign a 1930 01:24:00,020 --> 01:23:57,600 nondisclosure agreement and Alejandro 1931 01:24:02,390 --> 01:24:00,030 did not sign it and the people 1932 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:02,400 apparently that signed it knew that this 1933 01:24:07,850 --> 01:24:04,890 was the the deal the money was coming 1934 01:24:11,660 --> 01:24:07,860 from the black ops and so he got that he 1935 01:24:14,270 --> 01:24:11,670 bought up I I know he bought up John 1936 01:24:18,730 --> 01:24:14,280 Carpenter the abduction files oh that's 1937 01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:18,740 right yeah yeah okay and he picked up 1938 01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:21,690 Vaughn cavity he was a famous major for 1939 01:24:25,190 --> 01:24:23,970 the US for the United Nations he was a I 1940 01:24:27,770 --> 01:24:25,200 knew he had bought 1941 01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:27,780 his files he went to after the Canadian 1942 01:24:34,010 --> 01:24:31,590 files and then Tom DeLonge approaches 1943 01:24:36,380 --> 01:24:34,020 the free organization and I just 1944 01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:36,390 confirmed with ray just yet this morning 1945 01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:38,100 that he didn't they didn't try to buy 1946 01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:41,250 the free files but they said that they 1947 01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:45,480 could possibly pay for freeze people 1948 01:24:51,620 --> 01:24:49,410 their salaries and Ray said nothing's 1949 01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:51,630 for sale we're not gonna talk and 1950 01:25:04,060 --> 01:24:53,610 basically hung up the phone on Tom 1951 01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:04,070 DeLonge so it's a basic ok this 1952 01:25:07,850 --> 01:25:06,060 conversation between you are' it's it's 1953 01:25:09,980 --> 01:25:07,860 it's all over the lot of people are 1954 01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:09,990 copying it the email so we talked about 1955 01:25:14,660 --> 01:25:12,540 this but basically so so he's basically 1956 01:25:16,010 --> 01:25:14,670 was the guy at the center of this thing 1957 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:16,020 and it's it's the old business thing 1958 01:25:20,450 --> 01:25:19,050 it's OPM other people's money so none of 1959 01:25:21,890 --> 01:25:20,460 this money was Bigelow's money it was 1960 01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:21,900 all money that he got from the 1961 01:25:27,290 --> 01:25:23,850 government 22 million and Bob Bigelow 1962 01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:27,300 now controls the entire UFO story and 1963 01:25:32,450 --> 01:25:30,300 and he's pulled it off and you know 1964 01:25:34,730 --> 01:25:32,460 grant this is just like it's playing 1965 01:25:38,030 --> 01:25:34,740 right down my alley I never said much 1966 01:25:39,950 --> 01:25:38,040 about it because I was concerned for the 1967 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:39,960 people that I know that worked for him 1968 01:25:43,100 --> 01:25:42,090 because you know I don't want to say 1969 01:25:45,650 --> 01:25:43,110 anything because I just didn't want to 1970 01:25:47,890 --> 01:25:45,660 get anybody in trouble but the way they 1971 01:25:50,510 --> 01:25:47,900 talked about him I had such a 1972 01:25:52,820 --> 01:25:50,520 deep-seated feeling that he was behind 1973 01:25:54,440 --> 01:25:52,830 pulling the strings but you know I can't 1974 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:54,450 ever prove it and this is just this is 1975 01:25:58,940 --> 01:25:56,970 amazing that this has all come out yeah 1976 01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:58,950 and so now it's been confirmed by the 1977 01:26:03,230 --> 01:26:01,080 New York Times and did people are still 1978 01:26:05,690 --> 01:26:03,240 missing the whole story the New York 1979 01:26:08,570 --> 01:26:05,700 Times has confirmed that he has a place 1980 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:08,580 an underground facility in Las Vegas 1981 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:10,530 where he keeps the hardware and there is 1982 01:26:14,330 --> 01:26:12,330 hardware and they are going to release 1983 01:26:17,030 --> 01:26:14,340 this hardware Tom DeLonge was talking 1984 01:26:19,340 --> 01:26:17,040 about a 1948 crash and a piece of 1985 01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:19,350 material that sounds like they're going 1986 01:26:25,580 --> 01:26:23,520 to show which has I heard 80 layers but 1987 01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:25,590 don't quote me on that that this is 1988 01:26:29,210 --> 01:26:26,970 layered material like the if you 1989 01:26:30,950 --> 01:26:29,220 remember back the arts parts that Linda 1990 01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:30,960 Hop people were working on many years 1991 01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:33,960 ago and he has the you've heard and if 1992 01:26:38,180 --> 01:26:35,700 you read the New York Times story and 1993 01:26:38,919 --> 01:26:38,190 the Washington Post story you'll see the 1994 01:26:42,100 --> 01:26:38,929 reference 1995 01:26:44,259 --> 01:26:42,110 to a 490 page report well George Knapp 1996 01:26:48,549 --> 01:26:44,269 has now gone public and said there's not 1997 01:26:50,770 --> 01:26:48,559 one report there's 38 reports and are 1998 01:26:53,770 --> 01:26:50,780 over a hundred pages so all this 1999 01:26:55,989 --> 01:26:53,780 material is not controlled by by him all 2000 01:26:57,969 --> 01:26:55,999 the reports all the hardware and all the 2001 01:26:59,890 --> 01:26:57,979 video and I keep telling people even 2002 01:27:01,509 --> 01:26:59,900 today people are saying you know no it's 2003 01:27:02,890 --> 01:27:01,519 the story has moved away from Tom 2004 01:27:06,489 --> 01:27:02,900 DeLonge it's no longer the Tom DeLonge 2005 01:27:08,859 --> 01:27:06,499 story even tom was very upset a couple 2006 01:27:11,140 --> 01:27:08,869 days ago that oh that's another day 2007 01:27:13,270 --> 01:27:11,150 delay and he's all upset because people 2008 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:13,280 are asking him because he's not 2009 01:27:17,229 --> 01:27:15,530 producing the story and he have anything 2010 01:27:18,850 --> 01:27:17,239 the story he was just sitting on the 2011 01:27:20,830 --> 01:27:18,860 sidelines like the rest of us waiting 2012 01:27:22,330 --> 01:27:20,840 for this New York Times story and and 2013 01:27:23,589 --> 01:27:22,340 because they coordinated this thing he 2014 01:27:26,379 --> 01:27:23,599 was not just the New York Times it was 2015 01:27:29,169 --> 01:27:26,389 the political and it was Washington Post 2016 01:27:30,339 --> 01:27:29,179 so all three agencies did separate 2017 01:27:31,929 --> 01:27:30,349 stories the same day and it was all 2018 01:27:34,649 --> 01:27:31,939 coordinated that this what happened and 2019 01:27:37,719 --> 01:27:34,659 of course it has gone viral and now 2020 01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,729 Donald Trump has been asked so we the 2021 01:27:42,219 --> 01:27:40,400 press secretary said I haven't talked to 2022 01:27:44,140 --> 01:27:42,229 the president about this but I'm gonna 2023 01:27:45,969 --> 01:27:44,150 talk to him and I'll get back to you so 2024 01:27:49,739 --> 01:27:45,979 that's where we stand with that but the 2025 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:49,749 whole thing has basically gone viral 2026 01:27:55,089 --> 01:27:52,010 Bigelow basically controls the whole 2027 01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:55,099 story it's all in Las Vegas and I 2028 01:27:57,489 --> 01:27:56,449 remember there's an interview I've asked 2029 01:27:59,949 --> 01:27:57,499 for the interview I should have it later 2030 01:28:01,899 --> 01:27:59,959 in the afternoon 2013 interview he does 2031 01:28:03,310 --> 01:28:01,909 with George Knapp where he talks about 2032 01:28:05,379 --> 01:28:03,320 acclimatization this is an 2033 01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:05,389 acclimatization program going on and 2034 01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:07,369 George was in on this whole thing George 2035 01:28:11,020 --> 01:28:09,170 said he he didn't see a lot of the 2036 01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:11,030 material but he knew this was was going 2037 01:28:16,569 --> 01:28:14,510 on but George talked in 2030 and Bob 2038 01:28:19,060 --> 01:28:16,579 Bigelow talked about 2013 and 2039 01:28:21,580 --> 01:28:19,070 acclimatization program and he said if 2040 01:28:23,949 --> 01:28:21,590 if the business puts in money then it's 2041 01:28:25,689 --> 01:28:23,959 proprietary information so now you have 2042 01:28:27,549 --> 01:28:25,699 a situation where Bill go Bigelow 2043 01:28:28,750 --> 01:28:27,559 controls the information and he really 2044 01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:28,760 doesn't have to release it because he's 2045 01:28:34,029 --> 01:28:31,249 a it's his he owns the material he own 2046 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:34,039 co whatever they've got it was all 2047 01:28:37,810 --> 01:28:36,050 handed over by this a Lozano guy from 2048 01:28:39,759 --> 01:28:37,820 the Department of Defense and P so now 2049 01:28:42,459 --> 01:28:39,769 people are making Elizondo is this great 2050 01:28:45,250 --> 01:28:42,469 hero he went to new york times I have my 2051 01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:45,260 White House UFO YouTube channel I 2052 01:28:49,029 --> 01:28:47,420 actually play the White House or the 2053 01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:49,039 reporter from the New York Times who 2054 01:28:52,690 --> 01:28:51,170 talks about the interview she does with 2055 01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:52,700 them how they're sort of 2056 01:28:58,270 --> 01:28:55,370 in this hotel and so now they're playing 2057 01:29:01,150 --> 01:28:58,280 him as the great hero that this is the 2058 01:29:03,790 --> 01:29:01,160 guy that he got frustrated with with the 2059 01:29:05,140 --> 01:29:03,800 government and and he quit because they 2060 01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:05,150 weren't you know they weren't taking it 2061 01:29:08,740 --> 01:29:06,980 seriously enough and it's like come on I 2062 01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:08,750 mean I keep posting this thing about 2063 01:29:17,020 --> 01:29:10,400 puppets like come on wake up folks 2064 01:29:19,360 --> 01:29:17,030 I mean the guy's a puppet and you know 2065 01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:19,370 what by the time our conference comes 2066 01:29:22,420 --> 01:29:20,960 around in March hopefully we'll be able 2067 01:29:24,610 --> 01:29:22,430 to clarify this for everybody can see 2068 01:29:26,470 --> 01:29:24,620 here's the problem they're all believing 2069 01:29:28,060 --> 01:29:26,480 this stuff they're working Tom DeLonge 2070 01:29:29,650 --> 01:29:28,070 as the hero they think this alessandra 2071 01:29:31,330 --> 01:29:29,660 guy is a hero they think all this is 2072 01:29:33,550 --> 01:29:31,340 great that will probably have disclosure 2073 01:29:35,670 --> 01:29:33,560 within the week you know and all this 2074 01:29:38,440 --> 01:29:35,680 and but it's not gonna change anything 2075 01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:38,450 yeah that's the thing it's not gonna be 2076 01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:40,670 the big disclosure I my biggest problem 2077 01:29:45,040 --> 01:29:42,050 with everything that's happened so far 2078 01:29:47,710 --> 01:29:45,050 is how come there isn't a 24/7 news 2079 01:29:50,590 --> 01:29:47,720 cycle running like the OJ trial for 2080 01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:50,600 weeks at a time with you and Stanton 2081 01:29:55,630 --> 01:29:53,330 Friedman and Steven Greer and you know I 2082 01:29:58,810 --> 01:29:55,640 mean I'm a I'm a no fish in this game 2083 01:30:02,080 --> 01:29:58,820 but Bassett should be on 24/7 on Fox 2084 01:30:04,510 --> 01:30:02,090 News I mean it's like where are all the 2085 01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:04,520 real people where all the real players 2086 01:30:07,930 --> 01:30:06,080 that have been in it for 50 years 2087 01:30:10,420 --> 01:30:07,940 they're not even being trotted out it's 2088 01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:10,430 these people from the CIA that are being 2089 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:13,690 trotted out and playing us again yeah 2090 01:30:16,990 --> 01:30:15,650 yeah well that's the thing people are 2091 01:30:18,700 --> 01:30:17,000 missing the thing it's like you know 2092 01:30:20,650 --> 01:30:18,710 when Elizondo leaves he and this guy 2093 01:30:22,810 --> 01:30:20,660 saved his life he writes out supposedly 2094 01:30:24,970 --> 01:30:22,820 a letter to secretary Madison defense 2095 01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:24,980 and Madison saved his life in 2096 01:30:28,540 --> 01:30:26,810 Afghanistan so they're very close friend 2097 01:30:30,460 --> 01:30:28,550 and he writes this this thing that says 2098 01:30:32,620 --> 01:30:30,470 I'm you know I'm frustrated and I'm 2099 01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:32,630 quitting or whatever and the next day he 2100 01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:34,490 joins Tom DeLonge his operation and Tom 2101 01:30:38,020 --> 01:30:35,840 confirmed that he was actually talking 2102 01:30:40,330 --> 01:30:38,030 to him before he resigned quite quite a 2103 01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,340 bit and then suddenly he has all these 2104 01:30:44,650 --> 01:30:42,320 top secret UFO films that he's releasing 2105 01:30:46,330 --> 01:30:44,660 and I say like what it what does that 2106 01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:46,340 what he got on his going-away present he 2107 01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:48,110 got all the top secret UFO films as he 2108 01:30:51,670 --> 01:30:49,520 quits the Defense Department I mean this 2109 01:30:53,230 --> 01:30:51,680 is they're they're leaking the stuff out 2110 01:30:55,330 --> 01:30:53,240 the same as they're going to Steve 2111 01:30:57,070 --> 01:30:55,340 justice from Lockheed he's coming out 2112 01:30:59,590 --> 01:30:57,080 he's gonna bring all this material and 2113 01:31:01,420 --> 01:30:59,600 these plans for this sort of an 2114 01:31:03,190 --> 01:31:01,430 experiment and sort of an antigravity 2115 01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:03,200 experiment or whatever they're gonna 2116 01:31:06,580 --> 01:31:05,120 show and that's coming out of Lockheed 2117 01:31:08,830 --> 01:31:06,590 skunkworks that's top secret 2118 01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:08,840 l/2 so yeah this is how they're there 2119 01:31:14,350 --> 01:31:10,130 they're putting this stuff through but 2120 01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:14,360 it has gone extremely viral the guy that 2121 01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:16,370 wrote the New York Times story stated 2122 01:31:20,950 --> 01:31:18,800 this is the biggest story that the New 2123 01:31:23,470 --> 01:31:20,960 York Times has done for many years this 2124 01:31:25,060 --> 01:31:23,480 is absolutely a huge story and you can 2125 01:31:27,370 --> 01:31:25,070 see they're all on the bandwagon now and 2126 01:31:28,390 --> 01:31:27,380 they've now asked the question in the 2127 01:31:30,460 --> 01:31:28,400 White House press room 2128 01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:30,470 the reporters realize they've been had 2129 01:31:37,660 --> 01:31:33,860 and it has gone viral the story is is 2130 01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:37,670 literally almost 24/7 I mean I I really 2131 01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:39,050 don't have any time to do anything I've 2132 01:31:42,460 --> 01:31:40,370 got also it's a request for interviews 2133 01:31:44,860 --> 01:31:42,470 and I'm trying to do these updates and 2134 01:31:47,890 --> 01:31:44,870 I've it's incredible what's going on 2135 01:31:53,470 --> 01:31:47,900 well now do you think this is really 2136 01:31:57,040 --> 01:31:53,480 hitting mainstream media ahead on oh em 2137 01:31:59,560 --> 01:31:57,050 did Ella had a Lizardo CNN story today 2138 01:32:02,800 --> 01:31:59,570 is talk the top trending story on the 2139 01:32:04,570 --> 01:32:02,810 Internet really okay so then I've been 2140 01:32:06,940 --> 01:32:04,580 missing it I just I flipped on the 2141 01:32:08,920 --> 01:32:06,950 stations yesterday and I never watched 2142 01:32:11,290 --> 01:32:08,930 them and I went through 20 minutes of 2143 01:32:13,780 --> 01:32:11,300 you know I think a stock report I don't 2144 01:32:15,430 --> 01:32:13,790 think I got anything on the you're on 2145 01:32:17,050 --> 01:32:15,440 the money Channel you got to go to my 2146 01:32:20,290 --> 01:32:17,060 facebook site most of the stuff I'm 2147 01:32:22,780 --> 01:32:20,300 posting on my facebook site and on my 2148 01:32:25,930 --> 01:32:22,790 Whitehouse UFO YouTube channel I've done 2149 01:32:28,450 --> 01:32:25,940 to thirty five to thirty minute updates 2150 01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:28,460 since Saturday I did one on Saturday and 2151 01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:30,320 I did one yesterday I'm doing another 2152 01:32:33,910 --> 01:32:31,730 one tomorrow and another one Thursday 2153 01:32:35,230 --> 01:32:33,920 and this is just to update the things 2154 01:32:36,910 --> 01:32:35,240 that have happened since Saturday and 2155 01:32:39,700 --> 01:32:36,920 they're there like 30 minutes 30 minutes 2156 01:32:41,050 --> 01:32:39,710 long these updates as to this happened 2157 01:32:43,090 --> 01:32:41,060 this happened like today I have to add 2158 01:32:45,430 --> 01:32:43,100 the thing about Donald Trump being asked 2159 01:32:47,410 --> 01:32:45,440 and the New York Times has put out a 2160 01:32:49,750 --> 01:32:47,420 second article the guy who wrote it this 2161 01:32:51,910 --> 01:32:49,760 Ralph Blumenthal has put out a second 2162 01:32:53,530 --> 01:32:51,920 article and from what I've been told by 2163 01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:53,540 some buddies in contact he has a whole 2164 01:32:59,100 --> 01:32:55,370 series of articles coming out and he 2165 01:33:01,510 --> 01:32:59,110 also has a book coming out on John Mac 2166 01:33:04,180 --> 01:33:01,520 really cool I love it 2167 01:33:06,250 --> 01:33:04,190 John's amazing so these are major this 2168 01:33:08,980 --> 01:33:06,260 is this is the New York Times Washington 2169 01:33:12,010 --> 01:33:08,990 when we go out to eat we never agree on 2170 01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:12,020 where to go burgers pizza tacos it is 2171 01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:13,850 the one thing we do agree on is we all 2172 01:33:17,020 --> 01:33:16,010 want unlimited high-speed data that's 2173 01:33:19,779 --> 01:33:17,030 why we switch 2174 01:33:21,459 --> 01:33:19,789 MetroPCS stop by metro pcs with the 2175 01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:21,469 whole family and get four lines with 2176 01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:24,050 unlimited LTE data for just $100 period 2177 01:33:27,879 --> 01:33:26,690 metro pcs Wireless figured out covers 2178 01:33:28,930 --> 01:33:27,889 not available in some areas offered by 2179 01:33:30,279 --> 01:33:28,940 reporting of number not currently active 2180 01:33:31,330 --> 01:33:30,289 on t-mobile network during congestion 2181 01:33:32,979 --> 01:33:31,340 the fraction of customers used more than 2182 01:33:34,689 --> 01:33:32,989 35 gigs per month made us reduce beats 2183 01:33:35,799 --> 01:33:34,699 video streams depth of 40 P no tethering 2184 01:33:38,169 --> 01:33:35,809 C store for details in terms and 2185 01:33:40,149 --> 01:33:38,179 conditions post and political all 2186 01:33:42,609 --> 01:33:40,159 coordinated their stories the same day 2187 01:33:44,549 --> 01:33:42,619 and fortune magazine ran a story today 2188 01:33:47,379 --> 01:33:44,559 it's it's got some new details in it 2189 01:33:49,149 --> 01:33:47,389 basically every major news media even 2190 01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:49,159 the Chinese picked it up to che tiny 2191 01:33:55,149 --> 01:33:51,199 Chinese Daily News reran The Washington 2192 01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:55,159 Post story Wow okay so now here's the 2193 01:33:59,950 --> 01:33:57,650 million dollar question what difference 2194 01:34:01,060 --> 01:33:59,960 isn't making in the way everybody runs 2195 01:34:02,799 --> 01:34:01,070 their daily lives 2196 01:34:08,020 --> 01:34:02,809 is it done anything is it changed 2197 01:34:09,549 --> 01:34:08,030 anything that you can tell grasping 2198 01:34:11,319 --> 01:34:09,559 what's happening well people are 2199 01:34:12,729 --> 01:34:11,329 realizing this is for real that that 2200 01:34:14,740 --> 01:34:12,739 that that the government has this 2201 01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:14,750 material but again I've always said it's 2202 01:34:19,209 --> 01:34:16,130 never going to change your life even if 2203 01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:19,219 you know you know that they blew up the 2204 01:34:22,660 --> 01:34:21,170 World Trade Center or that UFOs are real 2205 01:34:25,060 --> 01:34:22,670 it really doesn't change anything this 2206 01:34:26,919 --> 01:34:25,070 is still going to come down to what do 2207 01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:26,929 you think your life is about and what 2208 01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:28,820 are you doing about you know and most 2209 01:34:33,490 --> 01:34:31,489 people their life is about surviving 2210 01:34:34,899 --> 01:34:33,500 about paying the bills about not getting 2211 01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:34,909 thrown out of their house about taking 2212 01:34:37,689 --> 01:34:36,800 their kids to soccer practice that's for 2213 01:34:39,580 --> 01:34:37,699 most people what it's about 2214 01:34:41,859 --> 01:34:39,590 and it's just a it's just an interest 2215 01:34:43,060 --> 01:34:41,869 item for most people and that's why we 2216 01:34:44,620 --> 01:34:43,070 can never get this thing going is 2217 01:34:46,209 --> 01:34:44,630 because most people they don't want to 2218 01:34:47,529 --> 01:34:46,219 donate to the thing I mean no sit there 2219 01:34:48,910 --> 01:34:47,539 listen to a story they'll listen to you 2220 01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:48,920 but the minute you have to put some 2221 01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:50,449 money up or whatever because it really 2222 01:34:54,220 --> 01:34:52,130 doesn't affect anybody's daily life it 2223 01:34:56,290 --> 01:34:54,230 doesn't effect your paycheck or anything 2224 01:34:57,939 --> 01:34:56,300 like that and so for most people it's 2225 01:34:59,620 --> 01:34:57,949 like it's like an interesting story that 2226 01:35:01,299 --> 01:34:59,630 they like to hear I mean in the 19th 2227 01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:01,309 century we used to have mediums we'd 2228 01:35:05,890 --> 01:35:03,770 call in mediums and do seances and talk 2229 01:35:08,350 --> 01:35:05,900 to dead people and now we follow UFO 2230 01:35:10,060 --> 01:35:08,360 stories for rich people and people who 2231 01:35:12,010 --> 01:35:10,070 are wined entertainment this is what 2232 01:35:13,270 --> 01:35:12,020 they do and that's why it's the biggest 2233 01:35:15,250 --> 01:35:13,280 story for New York Times because most 2234 01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:15,260 people it's a really cool story I mean 2235 01:35:18,220 --> 01:35:16,400 you don't have to read about Donald 2236 01:35:20,379 --> 01:35:18,230 Trump today now we can and and they even 2237 01:35:21,910 --> 01:35:20,389 said that that this is a break from like 2238 01:35:24,399 --> 01:35:21,920 Donald Trump that we can actually do 2239 01:35:26,109 --> 01:35:24,409 this story and people can take a break 2240 01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:26,119 and go to this really interesting story 2241 01:35:30,459 --> 01:35:29,690 about the fact that they had this 30 37 2242 01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:30,469 foot craft 2243 01:35:34,450 --> 01:35:33,170 that was flipping around and these guys 2244 01:35:35,589 --> 01:35:34,460 were chasing it and it was you know 2245 01:35:37,089 --> 01:35:35,599 doing all these different things and 2246 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:37,099 people look at the video and they go 2247 01:35:40,689 --> 01:35:39,530 whoo ah but they just go back because 2248 01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:40,699 you got to take a kid to soccer practice 2249 01:35:45,899 --> 01:35:43,610 you gotta pay your bills most people 2250 01:35:48,430 --> 01:35:45,909 it's not gonna affect them and 2251 01:35:51,279 --> 01:35:48,440 deep-seated implications are that we're 2252 01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:51,289 not alone so affecting them but you know 2253 01:35:54,669 --> 01:35:53,210 what I think we've brainwashed everybody 2254 01:35:56,290 --> 01:35:54,679 enough there's so much mind control 2255 01:35:56,739 --> 01:35:56,300 going out the damn cell phones and 2256 01:35:58,629 --> 01:35:56,749 everything 2257 01:36:00,370 --> 01:35:58,639 I don't think everybody's like oh yeah 2258 01:36:04,660 --> 01:36:00,380 it's like a video game okay cool you 2259 01:36:07,959 --> 01:36:04,670 know I mean they're not grasping the and 2260 01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:07,969 and even even when that sinks in the 2261 01:36:11,169 --> 01:36:09,530 portal people have now started to push 2262 01:36:12,339 --> 01:36:11,179 it looks like they're they realize 2263 01:36:14,950 --> 01:36:12,349 they've sort of missed the boat here and 2264 01:36:17,500 --> 01:36:14,960 they're gonna push I'm 95% sure this 2265 01:36:19,839 --> 01:36:17,510 portal story is for real I've got people 2266 01:36:21,850 --> 01:36:19,849 who may actually be involved in this 2267 01:36:23,410 --> 01:36:21,860 whole thing they are pushing this thing 2268 01:36:25,209 --> 01:36:23,420 and this goes to a whole new level this 2269 01:36:27,189 --> 01:36:25,219 goes to the whole thing of the spiritual 2270 01:36:28,810 --> 01:36:27,199 aspects of this thing of the fact that 2271 01:36:30,549 --> 01:36:28,820 this is not as material as people think 2272 01:36:33,910 --> 01:36:30,559 it is that they are coming through these 2273 01:36:36,489 --> 01:36:33,920 these portals and and and and this could 2274 01:36:38,709 --> 01:36:36,499 completely absolutely destroys the 2275 01:36:40,839 --> 01:36:38,719 Parrot the materialistic paradigm that 2276 01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:40,849 this whole world is built on and they're 2277 01:36:44,819 --> 01:36:43,010 saying that this is a scam story that 2278 01:36:47,379 --> 01:36:44,829 it's bit is based on making money and 2279 01:36:49,180 --> 01:36:47,389 that this is not the real story that if 2280 01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:49,190 you're looking into technology of UFOs 2281 01:36:52,390 --> 01:36:51,170 you have missed the story that's what 2282 01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:52,400 the portal people are starting to push 2283 01:36:56,290 --> 01:36:54,650 so I'm watching them closely now and to 2284 01:36:57,609 --> 01:36:56,300 see whether they can actually deliver 2285 01:36:57,879 --> 01:36:57,619 their story because they just messed it 2286 01:37:00,549 --> 01:36:57,889 up 2287 01:37:02,919 --> 01:37:00,559 whereas Bigelow and all the people 2288 01:37:04,600 --> 01:37:02,929 behind that thing absolutely did this 2289 01:37:06,549 --> 01:37:04,610 thing to a tee they actually made this 2290 01:37:08,379 --> 01:37:06,559 thing go viral the portal people just 2291 01:37:10,270 --> 01:37:08,389 completely messed up their there the 2292 01:37:12,910 --> 01:37:10,280 story that they wanted to put up yeah 2293 01:37:15,129 --> 01:37:12,920 yeah because it doesn't it's not solid 2294 01:37:16,359 --> 01:37:15,139 enough if it you know it isn't a Bob 2295 01:37:17,799 --> 01:37:16,369 Bigelow is behind it and here's the 2296 01:37:20,890 --> 01:37:17,809 money and you know we can follow this in 2297 01:37:22,810 --> 01:37:20,900 here the pieces they've got this enigma 2298 01:37:25,089 --> 01:37:22,820 you know that they're trying to deal 2299 01:37:27,219 --> 01:37:25,099 with and they and trying to get that for 2300 01:37:28,779 --> 01:37:27,229 to people to believe it well you know 2301 01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:28,789 you never know grant maybe they're gonna 2302 01:37:33,729 --> 01:37:30,409 get a video camera out and they're gonna 2303 01:37:35,620 --> 01:37:33,739 record the whole thing well that's what 2304 01:37:37,419 --> 01:37:35,630 I've heard I mean I can't really say too 2305 01:37:39,640 --> 01:37:37,429 much about it but it appears in the next 2306 01:37:43,419 --> 01:37:39,650 couple of months and I will say if it 2307 01:37:44,380 --> 01:37:43,429 gets confirmed I will say 100% that this 2308 01:37:46,150 --> 01:37:44,390 thing's for real because 2309 01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:46,160 they are sounds like they're gonna make 2310 01:37:49,780 --> 01:37:48,050 a move to sort of prove this and 2311 01:37:51,880 --> 01:37:49,790 indirectly to me but we'll see what 2312 01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:51,890 happens and the people that the people 2313 01:37:54,910 --> 01:37:53,600 that will be involved I absolutely would 2314 01:37:56,320 --> 01:37:54,920 trust with my life that these people 2315 01:37:59,200 --> 01:37:56,330 will be it's gone not gonna do anything 2316 01:38:03,730 --> 01:37:59,210 me but so that's the thing is they're 2317 01:38:05,470 --> 01:38:03,740 putting down the the story of the New 2318 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:05,480 York Times as being sort of a money grab 2319 01:38:08,500 --> 01:38:06,890 and that may be what it is it's like 2320 01:38:10,900 --> 01:38:08,510 you're trying to get hold of technology 2321 01:38:13,060 --> 01:38:10,910 now Bigelow controls all the technology 2322 01:38:15,790 --> 01:38:13,070 he absolutely controls a whole story now 2323 01:38:18,340 --> 01:38:15,800 and it's about making money it's about 2324 01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:18,350 technology it's nuts and bolts and in 2325 01:38:22,030 --> 01:38:20,510 the end the UFO story may not be as nuts 2326 01:38:24,670 --> 01:38:22,040 and bolts as you think it is even Jim 2327 01:38:26,140 --> 01:38:24,680 semi man who runs the tombola operation 2328 01:38:27,940 --> 01:38:26,150 said and I quote this all the time and 2329 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:27,950 this is a guy who had three beings in 2330 01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:29,450 his room and his wife was doubled over 2331 01:38:33,610 --> 01:38:31,760 in the bed and he suddenly was out in 2332 01:38:35,290 --> 01:38:33,620 the yard in his pajamas and watch this 2333 01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:35,300 flying saucer fly way this is a 2334 01:38:40,300 --> 01:38:38,150 presidential briefer from the CIA who 2335 01:38:42,130 --> 01:38:40,310 said the idea that we can measure this 2336 01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:42,140 thing is laughable how do you define 2337 01:38:46,300 --> 01:38:43,730 something where there does not appear to 2338 01:38:48,040 --> 01:38:46,310 be any there-there this has got to do 2339 01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:48,050 with consciousness this has got to do 2340 01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:50,210 with multidimensionality that is beyond 2341 01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:54,530 anything that we have in science I could 2342 01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:56,690 have said it better but see where is 2343 01:39:01,720 --> 01:38:58,610 that quote that should be on every Bible 2344 01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:01,730 yes he wrote it in sight he wrote an 2345 01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:08,890 second book and then it ties in I even 2346 01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:13,970 got a email from Chris Bledsoe he said I 2347 01:39:22,210 --> 01:39:19,430 just want to let you know that the I was 2348 01:39:24,640 --> 01:39:22,220 the first Star team person that they did 2349 01:39:26,650 --> 01:39:24,650 and the star team was was it would they 2350 01:39:29,650 --> 01:39:26,660 had mute on but who are doing it right 2351 01:39:31,690 --> 01:39:29,660 and then Bigelow has 46 full time people 2352 01:39:33,820 --> 01:39:31,700 who are the star team who go in and 2353 01:39:36,460 --> 01:39:33,830 investigate UFO stuff and it was all 2354 01:39:38,710 --> 01:39:36,470 paid for by black ops but Chris Bledsoe 2355 01:39:40,750 --> 01:39:38,720 was the first in 2007 and that's when 2356 01:39:42,730 --> 01:39:40,760 this thing started and that's why Jim 2357 01:39:44,740 --> 01:39:42,740 semi ban knew about Chris Bledsoe at the 2358 01:39:46,150 --> 01:39:44,750 very beginning because it was all an 2359 01:39:48,220 --> 01:39:46,160 inside operation it was going through 2360 01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:48,230 Bigelow and gathering up all the 2361 01:39:51,190 --> 01:39:50,090 material from experiencers and all the 2362 01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:51,200 move on people who thought they were 2363 01:39:55,210 --> 01:39:53,630 doing it you know to increase things 2364 01:39:57,880 --> 01:39:55,220 were basically working for the black ops 2365 01:39:58,209 --> 01:39:57,890 that's right absolutely and I need that 2366 01:40:00,189 --> 01:39:58,219 for 2367 01:40:02,739 --> 01:40:00,199 very beginning to I knew I smelled a rat 2368 01:40:04,330 --> 01:40:02,749 I was like no no no there's much more to 2369 01:40:06,939 --> 01:40:04,340 this story that people think you know 2370 01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:06,949 because everybody as the story came out 2371 01:40:11,379 --> 01:40:09,650 back then everybody bailed or jumped 2372 01:40:13,569 --> 01:40:11,389 ship or whatever but there was a certain 2373 01:40:15,250 --> 01:40:13,579 core group of people that were basically 2374 01:40:22,209 --> 01:40:15,260 winking at each other and I knew 2375 01:40:23,979 --> 01:40:22,219 something was deep deep going on in your 2376 01:40:25,089 --> 01:40:23,989 book you can put it in your book you're 2377 01:40:26,469 --> 01:40:25,099 part of your story because I hear your 2378 01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:26,479 story too you're gonna you got to 2379 01:40:36,669 --> 01:40:34,400 disclose now my aliens or angels or 2380 01:40:37,330 --> 01:40:36,679 whatever my whatever I do if I don't do 2381 01:40:39,239 --> 01:40:37,340 with grace 2382 01:40:41,830 --> 01:40:39,249 I don't do with any of these guys I was 2383 01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:41,840 unfortunate enough not to get off that I 2384 01:40:47,290 --> 01:40:45,650 guess but mine is very subtle but man 2385 01:40:49,899 --> 01:40:47,300 I'm telling you grant the things they 2386 01:40:51,219 --> 01:40:49,909 tell me see what they've been doing all 2387 01:40:53,919 --> 01:40:51,229 along has they've been feeding me 2388 01:40:55,689 --> 01:40:53,929 information from the other side and at 2389 01:40:57,939 --> 01:40:55,699 one point I know if I ever told you this 2390 01:41:01,930 --> 01:40:57,949 I'm in the car driving back from Las 2391 01:41:04,569 --> 01:41:01,940 Vegas and I feel arms come around me for 2392 01:41:07,629 --> 01:41:04,579 through the back seat and hold me around 2393 01:41:10,180 --> 01:41:07,639 the waist and then I feel this cold skin 2394 01:41:12,129 --> 01:41:10,190 up against my cheek right next to me and 2395 01:41:14,169 --> 01:41:12,139 I'm driving the car and I'm like oh my 2396 01:41:19,149 --> 01:41:14,179 god what's going on and I'm freaking out 2397 01:41:22,330 --> 01:41:19,159 and I hear this and I'm going oh my god 2398 01:41:25,660 --> 01:41:22,340 oh my god and then I hear I'm part of 2399 01:41:29,529 --> 01:41:25,670 the rebellion for the reptilian 2400 01:41:31,629 --> 01:41:29,539 rebellion you are working with us we 2401 01:41:33,009 --> 01:41:31,639 love you you're doing great work we're 2402 01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,019 gonna keep giving you the information 2403 01:41:37,270 --> 01:41:35,119 you need or something like that you know 2404 01:41:39,009 --> 01:41:37,280 is this I was so flipped out I could 2405 01:41:41,140 --> 01:41:39,019 barely I mean I'm feeling this cold 2406 01:41:44,290 --> 01:41:41,150 clammy skin up against my cheek and I'm 2407 01:41:46,419 --> 01:41:44,300 just freaking out thank God it was right 2408 01:41:48,700 --> 01:41:46,429 outside of Pern on the ten heading 2409 01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:48,710 towards LA and there's a rest stop in 2410 01:41:52,719 --> 01:41:51,050 the valley there and I pulled into the 2411 01:41:54,489 --> 01:41:52,729 rest stop and I swear to god grant I was 2412 01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:54,499 shaking like a leaf and i sat there and 2413 01:41:58,330 --> 01:41:56,449 shook for about an hour and then I 2414 01:42:00,609 --> 01:41:58,340 realized what had happened they were 2415 01:42:03,100 --> 01:42:00,619 telling me that all the information they 2416 01:42:05,979 --> 01:42:03,110 were giving me was it an inside track to 2417 01:42:08,770 --> 01:42:05,989 everything that was going on and I was 2418 01:42:11,169 --> 01:42:08,780 like holy crapola that's healthy words 2419 01:42:12,040 --> 01:42:11,179 like you used to describe it and it's 2420 01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:12,050 like it's like an 2421 01:42:15,339 --> 01:42:14,090 knowing I mean your contact do you 2422 01:42:17,589 --> 01:42:15,349 understand that it's like you just 2423 01:42:20,140 --> 01:42:17,599 suddenly know stuff right yeah like 2424 01:42:22,899 --> 01:42:20,150 going what the heck and it seems that 2425 01:42:25,450 --> 01:42:22,909 they've been gearing me or sliding me 2426 01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:25,460 into doing radio television doing all 2427 01:42:30,220 --> 01:42:27,489 these things so that I could you know 2428 01:42:31,479 --> 01:42:30,230 peace out little bits of information 2429 01:42:34,990 --> 01:42:31,489 about this like you know one of the 2430 01:42:36,430 --> 01:42:35,000 things they told me was that I I really 2431 01:42:38,290 --> 01:42:36,440 didn't follow for a long time was the 2432 01:42:41,560 --> 01:42:38,300 fact that blind people cannot be 2433 01:42:43,510 --> 01:42:41,570 controlled by the graves okay because 2434 01:42:45,700 --> 01:42:43,520 they only write they can get into your 2435 01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:45,710 head is through your optical nerves yeah 2436 01:42:49,569 --> 01:42:48,170 yeah so you know I mean they tell me 2437 01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:49,579 weird stuff like that not that it makes 2438 01:42:53,830 --> 01:42:51,650 any difference to anybody but it's like 2439 01:42:56,290 --> 01:42:53,840 and then when I feel then these these 2440 01:42:57,790 --> 01:42:56,300 little bits of information keep coming 2441 01:42:59,770 --> 01:42:57,800 out and people are winking at each other 2442 01:43:01,180 --> 01:42:59,780 and stuff is going on and I'm like you 2443 01:43:02,859 --> 01:43:01,190 know what that's not right that's not 2444 01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:02,869 what's going on here I can see right 2445 01:43:10,899 --> 01:43:06,290 through all their their BS my BS meter 2446 01:43:11,350 --> 01:43:10,909 is off the charts and you know what 2447 01:43:13,569 --> 01:43:11,360 that's like 2448 01:43:17,709 --> 01:43:13,579 I think most of the contact these have 2449 01:43:19,689 --> 01:43:17,719 highly tuned BS meters yeah and it's 2450 01:43:22,419 --> 01:43:19,699 very interesting Melinda's got one too 2451 01:43:24,459 --> 01:43:22,429 and when her and I corner somebody oh my 2452 01:43:27,549 --> 01:43:24,469 God look out the person does have a 2453 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:27,559 prayer to survive that interrogation I'm 2454 01:43:33,220 --> 01:43:31,610 telling ya so anyhow yeah it's great to 2455 01:43:35,020 --> 01:43:33,230 know but I'll tell you what grant you I 2456 01:43:37,450 --> 01:43:35,030 look forward to I look forward to having 2457 01:43:39,100 --> 01:43:37,460 a farm and some goats making pottery and 2458 01:43:41,470 --> 01:43:39,110 jewelry and just forgetting that I was 2459 01:43:44,260 --> 01:43:41,480 ever in the whole UFO things once it's 2460 01:43:47,169 --> 01:43:44,270 broken and everybody knows it's real 2461 01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,179 then you know I our job is done maybe 2462 01:43:51,220 --> 01:43:49,119 maybe we can go play hockey or Sun 2463 01:43:52,330 --> 01:43:51,230 another rabbit hole once you're out of 2464 01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:52,340 that one they dragged you down another 2465 01:43:55,270 --> 01:43:52,639 one 2466 01:43:56,890 --> 01:43:55,280 god I hope no I really do you know I was 2467 01:43:58,689 --> 01:43:56,900 saying this may be my last UFO 2468 01:43:59,890 --> 01:43:58,699 conference well that's what that's what 2469 01:44:01,660 --> 01:43:59,900 I always say I tried to get out of the 2470 01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,670 UFO thing so many times and every time I 2471 01:44:05,709 --> 01:44:03,679 do they drag me in with you know some 2472 01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:05,719 bizarre thing like I told the story like 2473 01:44:09,760 --> 01:44:07,489 when I went to shots now I was out of 2474 01:44:10,930 --> 01:44:09,770 the UFO thing I went to meditate on the 2475 01:44:12,549 --> 01:44:10,940 side of a mountain and suddenly the 2476 01:44:15,069 --> 01:44:12,559 cellphone rings and I get this message 2477 01:44:17,229 --> 01:44:15,079 from an alien about a story that they 2478 01:44:19,149 --> 01:44:17,239 wanted to do a an option for a movie on 2479 01:44:20,859 --> 01:44:19,159 my book that I no interest in and it was 2480 01:44:22,390 --> 01:44:20,869 like I said you can't even make this 2481 01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:22,400 stuff up I mean I'm back down this 2482 01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:24,530 rabbit hole now this whole thing with 2483 01:44:27,820 --> 01:44:25,280 Tom de la 2484 01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:27,830 and it's like you know I mean Melinda 2485 01:44:33,070 --> 01:44:30,320 gave me 80 pages of new material on 2486 01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:33,080 these inside guys I'm going on no now we 2487 01:44:36,910 --> 01:44:34,970 got to do another sort of you know 2488 01:44:38,740 --> 01:44:36,920 presentation or book or something we 2489 01:44:41,290 --> 01:44:38,750 gotta you know all this new material and 2490 01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:41,300 it's like you it's like we always have 2491 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:42,650 that joke you know when people quit the 2492 01:44:48,780 --> 01:44:44,810 UFO field we always said don't worry 2493 01:44:51,820 --> 01:44:48,790 they'll be back they'll be back nobody 2494 01:44:53,170 --> 01:44:51,830 know it's so true it's so darn true I 2495 01:44:54,700 --> 01:44:53,180 you just kidding you believe it and I 2496 01:44:57,070 --> 01:44:54,710 want you to know something I don't know 2497 01:44:59,530 --> 01:44:57,080 if Melinda told you this but two years 2498 01:45:01,780 --> 01:44:59,540 ago Melinda and I had that same pack in 2499 01:45:03,580 --> 01:45:01,790 a paper and we gave it to some very 2500 01:45:07,770 --> 01:45:03,590 prominent people in the community you 2501 01:45:10,810 --> 01:45:07,780 know they never even contacted oh no 2502 01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:10,820 seriously oh yeah her and I have been 2503 01:45:17,710 --> 01:45:13,970 going over that material with with Randy 2504 01:45:19,090 --> 01:45:17,720 copain as I must say going on for a long 2505 01:45:21,520 --> 01:45:19,100 time we've been trying to get somebody 2506 01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:21,530 to pay attention but it just wasn't time 2507 01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:23,510 yet you know yeah yeah well I really 2508 01:45:28,210 --> 01:45:26,450 appreciate being pick because I worked 2509 01:45:29,680 --> 01:45:28,220 on the same thing for so many years and 2510 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:29,690 I'm going somebody else did the same 2511 01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:31,370 thing I'm going oh oh you know this is 2512 01:45:34,090 --> 01:45:33,170 like it validates all the stuff I did 2513 01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:34,100 for many years 2514 01:45:38,230 --> 01:45:35,810 absolutely you know I don't I don't 2515 01:45:40,960 --> 01:45:38,240 think it's a coincidence that we all 2516 01:45:42,490 --> 01:45:40,970 discovered this right now everybody's 2517 01:45:45,070 --> 01:45:42,500 been working on this on the side that 2518 01:45:47,290 --> 01:45:45,080 you know all these years because it 2519 01:45:49,090 --> 01:45:47,300 wasn't time yet you know the they hate 2520 01:45:51,070 --> 01:45:49,100 but trust me they're orchestrating what 2521 01:45:54,430 --> 01:45:51,080 we do it's not like we get a choice in 2522 01:45:57,460 --> 01:45:54,440 them yeah yeah agree anyhow what are you 2523 01:45:59,380 --> 01:45:57,470 doing for Christmas um not too much you 2524 01:46:00,910 --> 01:45:59,390 have family dinner and that's about it 2525 01:46:03,610 --> 01:46:00,920 and I do a little bit of volunteer work 2526 01:46:05,860 --> 01:46:03,620 and I would say it's probably gonna be 2527 01:46:09,640 --> 01:46:05,870 the same as the last couple of days like 2528 01:46:11,650 --> 01:46:09,650 15 hours a day on this new disclosure as 2529 01:46:13,480 --> 01:46:11,660 this thing unravels it's it's incredible 2530 01:46:16,870 --> 01:46:13,490 I mean I haven't not got time to do 2531 01:46:19,780 --> 01:46:16,880 anything don't believe I hear ya oh my 2532 01:46:21,580 --> 01:46:19,790 god well I'm gonna be well by the time 2533 01:46:23,230 --> 01:46:21,590 this airs all have eaten my Christmas 2534 01:46:25,390 --> 01:46:23,240 dinner and I'll be getting ready for New 2535 01:46:27,420 --> 01:46:25,400 Year's so it'll be very interesting to 2536 01:46:30,340 --> 01:46:27,430 see what's happening by that Wednesday 2537 01:46:32,500 --> 01:46:30,350 and I should probably have you on the 2538 01:46:35,110 --> 01:46:32,510 show on I are in probably in January 2539 01:46:36,250 --> 01:46:35,120 sometime we'll do an update before the 2540 01:46:38,440 --> 01:46:36,260 conference 2541 01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:38,450 and then we'll get everybody set for the 2542 01:46:41,950 --> 01:46:39,770 conference and then they can get the 2543 01:46:45,100 --> 01:46:41,960 whole history and then in one evening 2544 01:46:46,780 --> 01:46:45,110 yeah that's like I posted on I did open 2545 01:46:48,580 --> 01:46:46,790 minds where a lot of these people drop 2546 01:46:50,229 --> 01:46:48,590 these intelligence people drop the stuff 2547 01:46:52,479 --> 01:46:50,239 I put on there and I also put on my 2548 01:46:54,870 --> 01:46:52,489 Facebook fasten your seat belts it 2549 01:46:57,370 --> 01:46:54,880 appears we're about to go very very fast 2550 01:47:00,640 --> 01:46:57,380 yeah I can't wait 2551 01:47:03,220 --> 01:47:00,650 well happy holidays grant thank you on 2552 01:47:05,050 --> 01:47:03,230 and you've everybody out there thank you 2553 01:47:07,750 --> 01:47:05,060 so much for tuning into this holiday 2554 01:47:10,300 --> 01:47:07,760 special and I will see you in 2018 have 2555 01:47:12,910 --> 01:47:10,310 a great one good night everyone when we 2556 01:47:15,940 --> 01:47:12,920 go out to eat we never agree on where to 2557 01:47:17,800 --> 01:47:15,950 go what burgers heats up tacos it is the 2558 01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:17,810 one thing we do agree on is we all want 2559 01:47:23,020 --> 01:47:19,970 unlimited high-speed data that's why we 2560 01:47:24,700 --> 01:47:23,030 switch to metro pcs stop by metro pcs 2561 01:47:27,070 --> 01:47:24,710 with the whole family and get four lines 2562 01:47:29,740 --> 01:47:27,080 with unlimited LTE data for just $100 2563 01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:29,750 period metro pcs Wireless figured out 2564 01:47:32,110 --> 01:47:31,010 covers not available in some areas 2565 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:32,120 offered by reporting of number not 2566 01:47:34,240 --> 01:47:33,050 currently active on t-mobile network 2567 01:47:35,470 --> 01:47:34,250 during congestion the fraction of 2568 01:47:36,850 --> 01:47:35,480 customers used more than 35 gigs per 2569 01:47:38,590 --> 01:47:36,860 month may notice produce beats video